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Old 11-23-2011, 07:31 PM
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Question DCP Losses Her Job

I feel so bad for this mom...
she picked her DS this afternoon in tears that she had gotten laid off. She said i'm not going to bring him in Monday cause i won't be able to pay you. She pays monthly which is due monday morning. What do you guys do to help(if you do)? I only watch 4 kids and its going to be really hard to find another kid where i live.
Do you give them a break/discount till they can get on their feet? Just wondering, never been in this situation before.

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Old 11-23-2011, 07:58 PM
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What a lousy thing to happen the day before Thanksgiving.

If she's laid off, she probably doesn't need care. But if she needs care to go on job interviews, I would give her a major discount or even do it for free.
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Old 11-23-2011, 08:05 PM
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Ohhh, I feel for her... It's sooo scary and what a terrible week also to get laid off.

Maybe offer to care for her child while she is interviewing for possible jobs...you could tell her you could watch for free just for a few hrs while she is interviewing depending on how many interviews she is going on during the day. I wouldn't offer care other then for work related things but that way she knows she can still count on you for daycare when she is finds a job.
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Old 11-23-2011, 08:06 PM
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Unless it's really easy to find some type of work where you live I personally wouldn't offer to do child care for free. However if you wanted to help out I suppose you could offer to provide child care for a few hours a day so that she can go out and find work, go to interviews etc, and have her sign a contract saying that as soon as she finds a job and gets her first paycheck a portion of it will be paid to you in addition to her normal child care payment until she pays off what she owes.

I would really test the water for this though. I once was tempted to try what I suggested with a DCM that was laid off and I suggested a few retail stores and fast food restaurant's that I knew were hiring (and I knew the manager's/employees there) and she scoffed and said she'd wouldn't work for minimum wage even after I pointed out that AN income is better than NO income. Once I saw that she wouldn't get a job unless it was the "right" job I decided not to offer her a break.
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Old 11-23-2011, 08:19 PM
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I feel so bad for this mom...
she picked her DS this afternoon in tears that she had gotten laid off. She said i'm not going to bring him in Monday cause i won't be able to pay you. She pays monthly which is due monday morning. What do you guys do to help(if you do)? I only watch 4 kids and its going to be really hard to find another kid where i live.
Do you give them a break/discount till they can get on their feet? Just wondering, never been in this situation before.

Thanks!
I would, and have--I was in a similar boat (watch only a few, not a big chance of getting a replacement, etc) and I let a dcm pay just what she could afford (half my usual rate). She continued to bring dcb full-time and last week when she got a permanent schedule change she went back to paying the full amount.

If I were you I would offer to charge just a certain amount (maybe ask what she thinks they can afford) and keep dcb a certain amount of time per week so she can go out job hunting, interviewing, etc. That would hold his spot and she can return to trhe full amount when she gets a new job. If she doesn't like that option, let her know that you won't be able to hold her spot and start advertising.
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Old 11-23-2011, 09:05 PM
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I have a dkm who was laid off at the end of last school year. We went down to 3 days/week and at a slightly lower rate than my usual for that number of days. I agreed because some income is better than none and I like the child and mother. She wanted to hold the space, she wanted her daughter to have the stability of our established routine, and frankly, I wanted her to be here to play with the other children in my care.

Now the mom has a job, but it's part time so dkg is still the same hours/days. I"m not really sure how she even managed to pay me at all while she was out of work and I know she's still struggling but we're keeping the rate the same for now. This is a small town and I know that in the long run the more flexible I am with families, the more apt I am to have referrals and get new kids.

Perhaps if I had a long waiting list I wouldn't be this accommodating, but I like to keep the kids I've grown to know and love, no matter what their parents' situations might be.
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Old 11-23-2011, 09:52 PM
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I would start interviewing now. By the way, did you have any sort of two weeks notice policy in place?

I don't do free or discount ever. I understand that others do that and not all providers have been burnt by this situation but it is too much of a risk for me. I would be fine with allowing drop in care by the hour even but it would be paid and I would not hold the full time spot. whatever you do, make sure you are clear with the parent about what you are and are not willing to do. Many people have months (or even year) long searches for jobs. Free or discounted care is going to get old fast if the situation turns into something like that.
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Old 11-24-2011, 12:43 PM
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I have had a few parents get laid off and only one that needed to stop care on that day b/c of finances. I did not enforce my 2 weeks notice with her...I felt so bad. She was a single parent and struggling as it was.

Two other parents did continue to use me for their regular scheduled days, so they could interview and one just used me p/t for this purpose. Fortunately all three of these found permanent jobs fairly quickly.
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Old 11-24-2011, 04:02 PM
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Oh, poor mom! It totally depends on the family and there is a lot to consider before you offer anything.

I wouldn't offer to watch the kid the same hours/days since she is not working, but I would probably offer to watch the kid here and there to help her with the job hunt.

If it was a family that I trusted, always paid on time and I knew they would get back on their feet very quickly, then I would offer a discounted rate temporarily. But I would start to look for other children. This is a difficult time of year to find work and realistically she might be out of work until march or so, so holding a spot would not be possible.

Maybe give her a voucher good for 20 hours of free care - that way she can go on interviews and job hunt? I know the unemployment office usually offers tips on what to do to find employment quickly and sometimes even offer to help with daycare costs, so have her look at that too.
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Old 11-24-2011, 04:33 PM
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When parents sign a child care that includes a paid notice time they need to have that money set aside so if they loose their job they can pay off their notice.

Agreeing to notice time and making sure you have the funds to provide the agreed upon notice is a CENTRAL aspect of a child care agreement. It's part of a parenting responsibility if you are using child care.

The provider needs to be assured that she will be paid for the slot while she is interviewing and considering replacements. The providers family need the income to make sure THEY are cared for properly and have what THEY need.

When a parent enrolls their child and signs the agreement they need to make sure that even if they loose their job for any reason that they have the funds to pay off their agreement. The parent needs to confirm with the child care provider that she knows she is obligated to pay the notice and make arrangements to make sure that, regardless of attendance, the provider will be paid in full.
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Old 11-26-2011, 09:40 AM
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I'm assuming you got a deposit from her in the beginning?? I would just terminate care as of now, using the deposit as her final payment - would even let her slide on any additional she may owe. This is why I collect a deposit - it is credited as last week of care if you give 2 weeks notice, otherwise it is forfeited.

I would let her know you are available for drop in care if she has the need for interviews, etc. but I wouldn't do it for free. Interviews can take a while and with travel time, etc. you could end up having a child half the day for every interview - if she's aggressive about looking for a job that can be a few times a week. I would however offer her a discounted hourly rate for the drop in care.
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Old 11-26-2011, 10:20 AM
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I'm assuming you got a deposit from her in the beginning?? I would just terminate care as of now, using the deposit as her final payment - would even let her slide on any additional she may owe. This is why I collect a deposit - it is credited as last week of care if you give 2 weeks notice, otherwise it is forfeited.

I would let her know you are available for drop in care if she has the need for interviews, etc. but I wouldn't do it for free. Interviews can take a while and with travel time, etc. you could end up having a child half the day for every interview - if she's aggressive about looking for a job that can be a few times a week. I would however offer her a discounted hourly rate for the drop in care.
I don't think the Mom had a deposit in or she wouldn't have said she wasn't going to bring the kid on Monday.
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Old 11-26-2011, 12:18 PM
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yes there was no deposit. I haven't heard from her yet since Thrusday. Giving her time to digiest and figure things out. I will offer her time to watch the DCB for her interviews. I do want to keep this family cause I've had them since he was a baby. It will work out, I trust God! He will work it out for both of us.
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Old 11-26-2011, 06:38 PM
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I wouldnt break the bridge then, offer to help in anyway you can during interview process.
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Old 11-27-2011, 10:28 AM
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I had a great family who I had their almost 3 year old since birth and mom is due anyday now and the baby was to start in February ( i even have a family I found to only take spot until February, so I wouldnt have to get rid of anyone). Dad lost job, they lost the house they were supposed to move into, and already had their stuff in a storage locker and were living with an aunt for 2 weeks while they closed on house.

I didnt charge them a 2 week notice and told them I would hold spot for a month. Dad STILL has not found anything, and with baby coming soon, mom will be off, so they wont need care even if dad found a job soon. (its been 2 months) I just filled their spot and feel bad. However, cant live off of feelings.
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Old 11-27-2011, 10:58 AM
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I had a great family who I had their almost 3 year old since birth and mom is due anyday now and the baby was to start in February ( i even have a family I found to only take spot until February, so I wouldnt have to get rid of anyone). Dad lost job, they lost the house they were supposed to move into, and already had their stuff in a storage locker and were living with an aunt for 2 weeks while they closed on house.

I didnt charge them a 2 week notice and told them I would hold spot for a month. Dad STILL has not found anything, and with baby coming soon, mom will be off, so they wont need care even if dad found a job soon. (its been 2 months) I just filled their spot and feel bad. However, cant live off of feelings.
Yes this is a perfect story of why it is the PARENTS responsibility to HAVE in reserves the money needed to fullfill the contractual agreement with the provider.

It's not personal. Even when everybody loves each other and wants it to work... often it doesn't. The provider needs the notice time pay. It's not in the contract for only those situations where it is in everyones benefit. It's in the contract to PROTECT the business and the ability to care for ALL the kids INCLUDING the providers own family.
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We had a parent lose her job a few weeks ago. She doesn't need care, of course, since she's not working, but we all really hated for her daughter to miss preschool (she's going to Kindergarten in the fall, and is already 5, so if she had to wait another year, she'd be a lot older than the other children in her class. The public schools around here require the children to pass a kindergarten entrance test, showing that they know what the school wants them to know before starting). So we decided to change our policy around (just for her) and allow her to come 5 days/week for half a day, at half rate (for preschool). The mom is still looking for a job, but this way, we know she'll be bringing her daughter back to us as soon as she finds one. And besides that, spots are really really hard to fill right now, so losing half her rate is better than losing all of it. AND her daughter won't be missing any preschool, and will still be caught up with the rest of the preschoolers going into Kindergarten this year. So if you trust and like having this family there, I'd agree with some of the others who said to offer a discounted rate during the times she is looking for a job or going to an interview.
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Old 11-28-2011, 08:05 AM
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UPDATE:
DCM called last night. She's going to be working with her sister on Fridays till she finds a job. I'll be watching him every friday till he goes back to full time. At least he has the spot, she's paying me, and she's looking for a job. Spots are really hard to fill, although the money break is bad for us, we'll take it rather then losing money for months trying to fill the spot.
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Old 11-28-2011, 08:51 AM
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I have not had this situation in about 20 years. But when I did I really liked this family so gave them free care til they got back on their feet. Then I added an extra $15 to their weekly fee to make up the weeks that they got for free. It all worked out in the end and we all won.
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I've had this happen to one of my families. They dropped down to part time status while the actively seeked new employment. DCG came 2-3 days per week for 15-20 hours. DCM didn't want to give up the spot completely.

When she did find a new job, she found new care closer to her work because the hours she worked and the hours I am open didn't mesh. She gave me her full notice and we parted ways.

I knew from the start that if she wanted to cancel, I would have allowed her to terminate her contract with 2 weeks notice rather than the 4 weeks I require.

I suggest you talk to mom and find out what she wants to do. She has a contractual obligation to provide you with notice and pay out her contract.

There are a lot of variables here...

She's laid off...did they say if she'll get called back? Is she eligible for unemployment? Is she going to start looking for another job or wait to see if she'll get called back? Was she only a temporary employee?

There are a lot of places hiring right now...even if it's only seasonal. She needs to decide what she wants to do and you need to decide if you want to pursue the termination notice, let them go, work with them, drop them down to part time, or start advertising to fill the spot.
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