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WImom 06:53 AM 04-04-2012
What are you rules with toys during free play?
Zoe 07:00 AM 04-04-2012
Put away what you are done playing with before moving on to the next thing.
Share and include others.
NO throwing or playing rough with toys (no roughhousing in general)
Inside voices
That's about it for me. Oh! No toys allowed in the living room. I only have this rule because I hate it when the toys get lost under the couch.
Share and include others.
NO throwing or playing rough with toys (no roughhousing in general)
Inside voices
That's about it for me. Oh! No toys allowed in the living room. I only have this rule because I hate it when the toys get lost under the couch.
Unregistered 07:01 AM 04-04-2012
Not much! They can play with whatever they want.
If the floor gets to the point that no one can walk then they pick up.
Free play is only twice a day for about a half hour - hour at a time so it doesn't get to out of contol. I find anything longer here fights start to happen.I have a young group though so I'm sure older kids can do free play a little longer.
If the floor gets to the point that no one can walk then they pick up.
Free play is only twice a day for about a half hour - hour at a time so it doesn't get to out of contol. I find anything longer here fights start to happen.I have a young group though so I'm sure older kids can do free play a little longer.
nannyde 07:06 AM 04-04-2012
JenNJ 08:02 AM 04-04-2012
I can't list all the rules about free play here. I can't even remember them all until I see someone breaking one of them.
The basic rules are:
PLAY with the toys. Do not misuse them.
No throwing toys EVER.
Keep toys on the floor; keep trains on the table. No toys on the walls or steps.
No licking, chewing, mouthing toys. No toys in your pants or down your shirts. No toys in your socks.
Bins are not toys. You take the toys out and put the bins back on the shelf.
Books are in your hands at all times. No books on the floors. Books are not toys.
Do not stand on, sit on, or walk on the toys. No toys "on" you either. No toys on your head, nose, foot, etc.
The toys are mine and I share them with you. Therefore, you will share with everyone else.
The basic rules are:
PLAY with the toys. Do not misuse them.
No throwing toys EVER.
Keep toys on the floor; keep trains on the table. No toys on the walls or steps.
No licking, chewing, mouthing toys. No toys in your pants or down your shirts. No toys in your socks.
Bins are not toys. You take the toys out and put the bins back on the shelf.
Books are in your hands at all times. No books on the floors. Books are not toys.
Do not stand on, sit on, or walk on the toys. No toys "on" you either. No toys on your head, nose, foot, etc.
The toys are mine and I share them with you. Therefore, you will share with everyone else.
Blackcat31 08:04 AM 04-04-2012
Originally Posted by JenNJ:
I can't list all the rules about free play here. I can't even remember them all until I see someone breaking one of them.
The basic rules are:
PLAY with the toys. Do not misuse them.
No throwing toys EVER.
Keep toys on the floor; keep trains on the table. No toys on the walls or steps.
No licking, chewing, mouthing toys. No toys in your pants or down your shirts. No toys in your socks.
Bins are not toys. You take the toys out and put the bins back on the shelf.
Books are in your hands at all times. No books on the floors. Books are not toys.
Do not stand on, sit on, or walk on the toys. No toys "on" you either. No toys on your head, nose, foot, etc.
The toys are mine and I share them with you. Therefore, you will share with everyone else.
I can't list all the rules about free play here. I can't even remember them all until I see someone breaking one of them.
The basic rules are:
PLAY with the toys. Do not misuse them.
No throwing toys EVER.
Keep toys on the floor; keep trains on the table. No toys on the walls or steps.
No licking, chewing, mouthing toys. No toys in your pants or down your shirts. No toys in your socks.
Bins are not toys. You take the toys out and put the bins back on the shelf.
Books are in your hands at all times. No books on the floors. Books are not toys.
Do not stand on, sit on, or walk on the toys. No toys "on" you either. No toys on your head, nose, foot, etc.
The toys are mine and I share them with you. Therefore, you will share with everyone else.
what she said! 
Countrygal 08:15 AM 04-04-2012
Originally Posted by Zoe:
Put away what you are done playing with before moving on to the next thing.
Share and include others.
NO throwing or playing rough with toys (no roughhousing in general)
Inside voices
That's about it for me. Oh! No toys allowed in the living room. I only have this rule because I hate it when the toys get lost under the couch.
Almost exactly the same, except they can play in the liv. rm, but not on the couches anymore. Put away what you are done playing with before moving on to the next thing.
Share and include others.
NO throwing or playing rough with toys (no roughhousing in general)
Inside voices
That's about it for me. Oh! No toys allowed in the living room. I only have this rule because I hate it when the toys get lost under the couch.
One argument - toy goes into toy time out for rest of day.
Two arguments - free play is over
WImom 08:38 AM 04-04-2012
Great thanks! Sometimes I think I'm too strict BUT I do all this too so I guess not.
Crystal 12:40 PM 04-04-2012
Originally Posted by nannyde:
https://www.daycare.com/nannyde/ther...tm#comment-525
https://www.daycare.com/nannyde/ther...tm#comment-525
That doesn't sound like "free play" at all.
nannyde 01:06 PM 04-04-2012
Originally Posted by Crystal:
That doesn't sound like "free play" at all.
That doesn't sound like "free play" at all.
"free" doesn't mean you can do as you wish. We live in the land of the free but we can't steal from each other or knock each others house down.
What specifically do you see wrong with any of the "rules"
daycare 01:15 PM 04-04-2012
I dont have any special rules during free play that don't apply to our entire day.
Play nice, safe and fair. Everyone has fun and is respectful.......
Play nice, safe and fair. Everyone has fun and is respectful.......
Countrygal 01:16 PM 04-04-2012
Nannyde, Most of your rules I also enforce, but have not written them down or even thought much about them. Most of the things you mention end in a fight and the toys go to toy time out anyway. But no throwing, knocking around, building way too high unless supervised, etc, are all followed here, but not really a "rule", just common sense. Like you said in your last post - just because it is free play does not mean we can be rude or careless.
Country Kids 01:17 PM 04-04-2012
Originally Posted by nannyde:
"free" doesn't mean you can do as you wish. We live in the land of the free but we can't steal from each other or knock each others house down.
What specifically do you see wrong with any of the "rules"
I know Chrystal posted about "this doesn't sound like free play" but I wanted to respond also."free" doesn't mean you can do as you wish. We live in the land of the free but we can't steal from each other or knock each others house down.
What specifically do you see wrong with any of the "rules"
Wow! After about 6 rules they started kinda blurring together. I don't seriously know as an adult if I could remember all those rules. I'm not joking either-that is alot to remember. I don't know if I could remember all those if I had made them unless I had a sign hanging up with them written down.
Some of them seemed to repeat themselves also, maybe that is why there seemed to be so many.
nannyde 01:23 PM 04-04-2012
Originally Posted by Countrygal:
Nannyde, Most of your rules I also enforce, but have not written them down or even thought much about them. Most of the things you mention end in a fight and the toys go to toy time out anyway. But no throwing, knocking around, building way too high unless supervised, etc, are all followed here, but not really a "rule", just common sense. Like you said in your last post - just because it is free play does not mean we can be rude or careless.
Yes it's like car driving rules. If you sat down and wrote out EVERYTHING you know about safely driving alongside other drivers it would be a novel. Nannyde, Most of your rules I also enforce, but have not written them down or even thought much about them. Most of the things you mention end in a fight and the toys go to toy time out anyway. But no throwing, knocking around, building way too high unless supervised, etc, are all followed here, but not really a "rule", just common sense. Like you said in your last post - just because it is free play does not mean we can be rude or careless.
It's really simple to have these rules. I have had them for years and the kids learn them at a very young age.
Crystal 01:25 PM 04-04-2012
First, you say that this is a "partial list" of the rules....I can not even imagine there being more. I am not copying all of the ones you linked to here even, but these specifically I think are borderline absurd:
Blocks only at the block table. NO other toys on the table. so, no toy animals, props to use with blocks?
No toys above the shoulders. Ihave never understood why providers do this.....yes, I realize it can fall down and hit them. it's a good way for them to learn how to build stable structures that don't fall.
Block towers.. build wide then build high. No tower height above shoulders. same as above.
Take block towers down don’t knock them down. Don’t take your friends down. I'll agree on the not taking friends down. As far as knocking their own down, well, Half the fun of using blocks is knocking them down.
One hand on cars or anything with wheels. No two handed walking/running behind cars. One car in one hand at a time. No running two cars at one time in each hand. do you really enforce using only one hand on a car? what a waste of time.
NO DUMPING we've discussed that on before....I won't go into it further.
No repetitive clicking of toys. Not even sure what this one means? Can you please explain?
No carrying around heavier toys. Pick toy out of bin and pick a piece of floor to play with it.
Two kids only on each big toy (like kitchen or doll house) I cannot imagine limiting the kitchen to two kids....we have some fab tea parties and restaraunt play with much of the group at one time.
No “roar”ing or other loud animal sounds or monster sounds. seriously? they cannot dramatic play animal sounds?
No “stacking” large heavy toys on top of small toys. Stacking needs to have the base be broad and the top not be top heavy. I think this is one they need to learn on their own, from experience.
Play all “non fixed” toys on floor. Fixed toys are kitchen, doll house, tool bench, block table and the toys that are with those sets. I have never really understood the no table thng you have there, could you please explain it to me?
No dropping toys. When you get them out PLACE them on the floor. When you put them back PLACE them in the bin or slot.
Do you mean intentionally dropping them? I cannot imagine that it never happens accidentally, so you must mean intentionally?
I get to define “play” though. Well, of course you do.
Blocks only at the block table. NO other toys on the table. so, no toy animals, props to use with blocks?
No toys above the shoulders. Ihave never understood why providers do this.....yes, I realize it can fall down and hit them. it's a good way for them to learn how to build stable structures that don't fall.
Block towers.. build wide then build high. No tower height above shoulders. same as above.
Take block towers down don’t knock them down. Don’t take your friends down. I'll agree on the not taking friends down. As far as knocking their own down, well, Half the fun of using blocks is knocking them down.
One hand on cars or anything with wheels. No two handed walking/running behind cars. One car in one hand at a time. No running two cars at one time in each hand. do you really enforce using only one hand on a car? what a waste of time.
NO DUMPING we've discussed that on before....I won't go into it further.
No repetitive clicking of toys. Not even sure what this one means? Can you please explain?
No carrying around heavier toys. Pick toy out of bin and pick a piece of floor to play with it.
Two kids only on each big toy (like kitchen or doll house) I cannot imagine limiting the kitchen to two kids....we have some fab tea parties and restaraunt play with much of the group at one time.
No “roar”ing or other loud animal sounds or monster sounds. seriously? they cannot dramatic play animal sounds?
No “stacking” large heavy toys on top of small toys. Stacking needs to have the base be broad and the top not be top heavy. I think this is one they need to learn on their own, from experience.
Play all “non fixed” toys on floor. Fixed toys are kitchen, doll house, tool bench, block table and the toys that are with those sets. I have never really understood the no table thng you have there, could you please explain it to me?
No dropping toys. When you get them out PLACE them on the floor. When you put them back PLACE them in the bin or slot.
Do you mean intentionally dropping them? I cannot imagine that it never happens accidentally, so you must mean intentionally?
I get to define “play” though. Well, of course you do.
Crystal 01:26 PM 04-04-2012
Originally Posted by daycare:
I dont have any special rules during free play that don't apply to our entire day.
Play nice, safe and fair. Everyone has fun and is respectful.......
YES!!!! This!!!!!I dont have any special rules during free play that don't apply to our entire day.
Play nice, safe and fair. Everyone has fun and is respectful.......
Crystal 01:28 PM 04-04-2012
Originally Posted by Country Kids:
I know Chrystal posted about "this doesn't sound like free play" but I wanted to respond also.
Wow! After about 6 rules they started kinda blurring together. I don't seriously know as an adult if I could remember all those rules. I'm not joking either-that is alot to remember. I don't know if I could remember all those if I had made them unless I had a sign hanging up with them written down.
Some of them seemed to repeat themselves also, maybe that is why there seemed to be so many.
No kidding!!!!!I know Chrystal posted about "this doesn't sound like free play" but I wanted to respond also.
Wow! After about 6 rules they started kinda blurring together. I don't seriously know as an adult if I could remember all those rules. I'm not joking either-that is alot to remember. I don't know if I could remember all those if I had made them unless I had a sign hanging up with them written down.
Some of them seemed to repeat themselves also, maybe that is why there seemed to be so many.
Blackcat31 01:31 PM 04-04-2012
Originally Posted by Crystal:
That doesn't sound like "free play" at all.
That doesn't sound like "free play" at all.
Originally Posted by nannyde:
"free" doesn't mean you can do as you wish. We live in the land of the free but we can't steal from each other or knock each others house down.
What specifically do you see wrong with any of the "rules"
Ok, I am going to intervene here and add that the free-play rules that Nannyde has posted are nothing new to what she has said before. This topic, at least between the two of you ladies has been discussed many times before, if I remember correctly, so I think it probably doesn't really need to be rehashed again."free" doesn't mean you can do as you wish. We live in the land of the free but we can't steal from each other or knock each others house down.
What specifically do you see wrong with any of the "rules"
Nan~ I think you are VERY good at what YOU do and YOU have a good thing going for YOU (and the parents who knowingly buy your services) and I respect that.
Crystal~ I also have a tremendous respect for you as I am also in the field of Early Childhood and fully understand what DAP and all the things that ECE teaches us today. What it all means and its importance.
We can both agree that Nannyde does things a lot differently than any "teacher" or EC theorist teaches us to do so it is pretty much a given that you two will NEVER agree on any of your chosen methods for caring for or teaching kids, so I think it is best if the two of you simply ignore each other or just stop quoting each other.
We all get it. You two are about as opposite as two people can possibly be so let's just let sleeping dogs lie.
I normally do not get involved (although as a mod maybe I should more often....) I don't know, I just hate stepping on other people's rights to express themselves and have an opinion, but seriously my inbox is full of PM's saying "I wish Nannyde and Crystal will stop replying to each other and all the drama etc etc" ..
.....so I am basically just passing on the message.
Mary Poppins 01:40 PM 04-04-2012
I always join in with the kids during free play time, not so much to enforce a million rules but to gently teach them how to play and how to play nicely. We focus on having fun, being imaginative and yes, sometimes it gets messy and loud but the kids love our free play time.
Then we all clean up, regardless of who played with what. I think it's important that they learn to help out their friends this way.
I have no set rules, just basic safety things I enforce depending on the circumstances of what we're doing and no one toy "has" to be used or not used a certain way. I believe in letting the kid's imaginations take over while learning how to share and play nicely and I am basically there as a mentor to help them do just that.
Plus, I love playing with the toys, too. After all, they are MINE!
Then we all clean up, regardless of who played with what. I think it's important that they learn to help out their friends this way.
I have no set rules, just basic safety things I enforce depending on the circumstances of what we're doing and no one toy "has" to be used or not used a certain way. I believe in letting the kid's imaginations take over while learning how to share and play nicely and I am basically there as a mentor to help them do just that.
Plus, I love playing with the toys, too. After all, they are MINE!
Crystal 01:46 PM 04-04-2012
With all due respect BlackCat (and you know I do respect you) I have never debated with Nan about her "toy" rules. I didn't even know this list existed until she linked to it. I read it, I was shocked, and I responded. If she doesn't want to be disagreed with, and she KNOWS it will be disagreed with, then she shouldn't post it. And, honestly, why should I have to ignore something I completely disagree with? I imagine you would never ask that if it wasn't Nan I was disagreeing with.
And, hey, I have a sneaking suspicion that she enjoys the debate
And, hey, I have a sneaking suspicion that she enjoys the debate
Blackcat31 01:52 PM 04-04-2012
Originally Posted by Crystal:
With all due respect BlackCat (and you know I do respect you) I have never debated with Nan about her "toy" rules. I didn't even know this list existed until she linked to it. I read it, I was shcoked, and I responded. If she doesn't want to be disagreed with, and she KNOWS it will be disagreed with, then she shouldn't post it.
Although, I have a sneaking suspicion that she enjoys the debate
I may be wrong about you two discussing this particular issue before and I apologize if I am, as I am not siding with either one of you. I just know that the way you two run your programs is NEVER going to be the same and I know that you will never convince her and she will never convince you that the other is right, so I feel like the "debate" between the two of you is kind of moot.With all due respect BlackCat (and you know I do respect you) I have never debated with Nan about her "toy" rules. I didn't even know this list existed until she linked to it. I read it, I was shcoked, and I responded. If she doesn't want to be disagreed with, and she KNOWS it will be disagreed with, then she shouldn't post it.
Although, I have a sneaking suspicion that she enjoys the debate
You like blue and she likes red. Simple as that.
I agree that we all have a right to share and express our opinions, I just think it should be towards or in response to the thread OP and anyone and everyone else besides between the two of you. (Sorry, I DON'T mean that snarky
) It just seems that you two are so opposite that conversation is pointless. You aren't going to help her see the light and you will never see hers......kwim?
daycare 03:20 PM 04-04-2012
ok so here is my take on Nan's rules.
I have a PHB that looks like I am Hitler.....Do I follow it to a T, NO, but it is there for those that will try to take advantage. It looks bad in writing, but when you think about it, without those rules, I would not have control over my business.
I think it always looks worse on paper than it really is...or in words in this case...
I have a PHB that looks like I am Hitler.....Do I follow it to a T, NO, but it is there for those that will try to take advantage. It looks bad in writing, but when you think about it, without those rules, I would not have control over my business.
I think it always looks worse on paper than it really is...or in words in this case...
EntropyControlSpecialist 03:31 PM 04-04-2012
Simple and applicable to more than free play. My rules are:
Be nice to people and things.
Be gentle with people and things.
Be generous with people and things.
My 3 to 5-year-olds handle these rules well, and if they see a classmate not following one they are known to correct them in a sing-song voice the way I say it.
Be nice to people and things.
Be gentle with people and things.
Be generous with people and things.
My 3 to 5-year-olds handle these rules well, and if they see a classmate not following one they are known to correct them in a sing-song voice the way I say it.
MizzCheryl 04:03 PM 04-04-2012
my rules...
Be safe
Be kind
Be neat
sounds simple right?
But if you think about it that pretty much covers it all. I say Lil johnny is it safe, kind or neat to throw that?
NO!
I can get really specific with these rules.
Running in side?
Not safe, go back and walk.
Disrespect your friend, not kind!
rebuild their tower, Please
Knock down your playmate?
Not safe or kind.
Help them up and comfort them till they are feeling all better. Then when they feel all better they will let me know and you can go play.
Be safe
Be kind
Be neat
sounds simple right?
But if you think about it that pretty much covers it all. I say Lil johnny is it safe, kind or neat to throw that?
NO!
I can get really specific with these rules.
Running in side?
Not safe, go back and walk.
Disrespect your friend, not kind!
rebuild their tower, Please
Knock down your playmate?
Not safe or kind.
Help them up and comfort them till they are feeling all better. Then when they feel all better they will let me know and you can go play.
SilverSabre25 04:28 PM 04-04-2012
I can sum mine up similarly to Clueless. Be kind to/respect yourself, to your friends, and the space around you.
And please don't make soup with Little People.
And please don't make soup with Little People.
Country Kids 04:50 PM 04-04-2012
Originally Posted by daycare:
ok so here is my take on Nan's rules.
I have a PHB that looks like I am Hitler.....Do I follow it to a T, NO, but it is there for those that will try to take advantage. It looks bad in writing, but when you think about it, without those rules, I would not have control over my business.
I think it always looks worse on paper than it really is...or in words in this case...
Thats the thing though Daycare, if you start putting to much into something, alot of people can't take it all in and it all becomes a blur to them. Also, I sometimes have to go back through mine because I personally can't remember everything I put into it.ok so here is my take on Nan's rules.
I have a PHB that looks like I am Hitler.....Do I follow it to a T, NO, but it is there for those that will try to take advantage. It looks bad in writing, but when you think about it, without those rules, I would not have control over my business.
I think it always looks worse on paper than it really is...or in words in this case...
I think sometimes thats why people don't read them or just initial because
its overwhelming to them to see so much in print.
daycare 05:42 PM 04-04-2012
Originally Posted by Country Kids:
Thats the thing though Daycare, if you start putting to much into something, alot of people can't take it all in and it all becomes a blur to them. Also, I sometimes have to go back through mine because I personally can't remember everything I put into it.
I think sometimes thats why people don't read them or just initial because
its overwhelming to them to see so much in print.
Do have to agree with that 100%..... This is why I simplified my Admission agreements...Thats the thing though Daycare, if you start putting to much into something, alot of people can't take it all in and it all becomes a blur to them. Also, I sometimes have to go back through mine because I personally can't remember everything I put into it.
I think sometimes thats why people don't read them or just initial because
its overwhelming to them to see so much in print.
nannyde 06:07 PM 04-04-2012
Originally Posted by Crystal:
First, you say that this is a "partial list" of the rules....I can not even imagine there being more. I am not copying all of the ones you linked to here even, but these specifically I think are borderline absurd:
Blocks only at the block table. NO other toys on the table. so, no toy animals, props to use with blocks?
No toys above the shoulders. Ihave never understood why providers do this.....yes, I realize it can fall down and hit them. it's a good way for them to learn how to build stable structures that don't fall.
Block towers.. build wide then build high. No tower height above shoulders. same as above.
Take block towers down don’t knock them down. Don’t take your friends down. I'll agree on the not taking friends down. As far as knocking their own down, well, Half the fun of using blocks is knocking them down.
One hand on cars or anything with wheels. No two handed walking/running behind cars. One car in one hand at a time. No running two cars at one time in each hand. do you really enforce using only one hand on a car? what a waste of time.
NO DUMPING we've discussed that on before....I won't go into it further.
No repetitive clicking of toys. Not even sure what this one means? Can you please explain?
No carrying around heavier toys. Pick toy out of bin and pick a piece of floor to play with it.
Two kids only on each big toy (like kitchen or doll house) I cannot imagine limiting the kitchen to two kids....we have some fab tea parties and restaraunt play with much of the group at one time.
No “roar”ing or other loud animal sounds or monster sounds. seriously? they cannot dramatic play animal sounds?
No “stacking” large heavy toys on top of small toys. Stacking needs to have the base be broad and the top not be top heavy. I think this is one they need to learn on their own, from experience.
Play all “non fixed” toys on floor. Fixed toys are kitchen, doll house, tool bench, block table and the toys that are with those sets. I have never really understood the no table thng you have there, could you please explain it to me?
No dropping toys. When you get them out PLACE them on the floor. When you put them back PLACE them in the bin or slot.
Do you mean intentionally dropping them? I cannot imagine that it never happens accidentally, so you must mean intentionally?
I get to define “play” though. Well, of course you do.
First, you say that this is a "partial list" of the rules....I can not even imagine there being more. I am not copying all of the ones you linked to here even, but these specifically I think are borderline absurd:
Blocks only at the block table. NO other toys on the table. so, no toy animals, props to use with blocks?
No toys above the shoulders. Ihave never understood why providers do this.....yes, I realize it can fall down and hit them. it's a good way for them to learn how to build stable structures that don't fall.
Block towers.. build wide then build high. No tower height above shoulders. same as above.
Take block towers down don’t knock them down. Don’t take your friends down. I'll agree on the not taking friends down. As far as knocking their own down, well, Half the fun of using blocks is knocking them down.
One hand on cars or anything with wheels. No two handed walking/running behind cars. One car in one hand at a time. No running two cars at one time in each hand. do you really enforce using only one hand on a car? what a waste of time.
NO DUMPING we've discussed that on before....I won't go into it further.
No repetitive clicking of toys. Not even sure what this one means? Can you please explain?
No carrying around heavier toys. Pick toy out of bin and pick a piece of floor to play with it.
Two kids only on each big toy (like kitchen or doll house) I cannot imagine limiting the kitchen to two kids....we have some fab tea parties and restaraunt play with much of the group at one time.
No “roar”ing or other loud animal sounds or monster sounds. seriously? they cannot dramatic play animal sounds?
No “stacking” large heavy toys on top of small toys. Stacking needs to have the base be broad and the top not be top heavy. I think this is one they need to learn on their own, from experience.
Play all “non fixed” toys on floor. Fixed toys are kitchen, doll house, tool bench, block table and the toys that are with those sets. I have never really understood the no table thng you have there, could you please explain it to me?
No dropping toys. When you get them out PLACE them on the floor. When you put them back PLACE them in the bin or slot.
Do you mean intentionally dropping them? I cannot imagine that it never happens accidentally, so you must mean intentionally?
I get to define “play” though. Well, of course you do.
I don't have time to do all...... here's a few:
Build wide then high ... take down: You like build high-knock down. I like "build wide... build high.. then TAKE down". "build high-knock down" takes a few seconds. "build wide.. build high... take down" is much harder and takes a lot longer. All of my kids from VERY young new walkers can "build high-knock down". They are master knocerdowners from the time they can walk without ANY experience at child care. "Build wide.. then build high off of wide... then disasemble one by one" ... now THAT takes some effort and gets progressively better as they become more competent. It's great exercise and nets phenomenal blockers.
"one hand/one car": that's to combat running behind cars. I've had too many crashes into new walkers to allow running behind cars. That's just my personal preference mixing in age one to fives. It is easily accomplished by the "one hand/one car" rule. They "get" it around fifteen=eighteen months.
The "floor based play" has also been written out specifically here many times. That should answer your table quesitons.
Partial list: I didn't add things like "no licking" "no spitting on toys". The list is partial because it doesn't address every possible playing issue.
I think that answered most of your questions. We are just completely different and that's cool. I don't understand how or why you do what you do. I don't even try. You lost me a long time ago with "art supplies always out for thirteen month olds"
We are so far apart we aren't in the same universe.I think your concerns are pretty simple to figure out. I advise searching this board to see where providers would have specific play issues.
For example you asked about no roaring. Search the word "roar" and you can see a number of posts about it. Here is one: https://www.daycare.com/forum/showth...highlight=roar
dumping and dropping: https://www.daycare.com/forum/showth...highlight=cars
and on and on...
There are SO many examples of providers issues with the behaviors that my rules speak to. To understand "why" I have the rules... read the forum here and stay in touch with working providers of all levels of experience.
daycare 06:22 PM 04-04-2012
Originally Posted by Country Kids:
Thats the thing though Daycare, if you start putting to much into something, alot of people can't take it all in and it all becomes a blur to them. Also, I sometimes have to go back through mine because I personally can't remember everything I put into it.
I think sometimes thats why people don't read them or just initial because
its overwhelming to them to see so much in print.
oh and the kids don't have to read the rules either, so I don't thin any of that applies to them.....lol Unless your baby can read.......hahah I hate those gimmicks...Thats the thing though Daycare, if you start putting to much into something, alot of people can't take it all in and it all becomes a blur to them. Also, I sometimes have to go back through mine because I personally can't remember everything I put into it.
I think sometimes thats why people don't read them or just initial because
its overwhelming to them to see so much in print.
Country Kids 06:28 PM 04-04-2012
Originally Posted by daycare:
oh and the kids don't have to read the rules either, so I don't thin any of that applies to them.....lol Unless your baby can read.......hahah I hate those gimmicks...
Very true-oh and the kids don't have to read the rules either, so I don't thin any of that applies to them.....lol Unless your baby can read.......hahah I hate those gimmicks...
I know though if you here to much "don't do this/don't do that" your ears start tuning things out.
If there are like 5 basic rules I think the kids are more adapt to doing them, then trying to learn 15 and can only remember 1/3 of them.
MizzCheryl 05:08 AM 04-05-2012
Originally Posted by SilverSabre25:
I can sum mine up similarly to Clueless. Be kind to/respect yourself, to your friends, and the space around you.
And please don't make soup with Little People.
Ha ha ha "don't make soup with little people"I can sum mine up similarly to Clueless. Be kind to/respect yourself, to your friends, and the space around you.
And please don't make soup with Little People.
Too funny!
nannyde 06:00 AM 04-05-2012
Originally Posted by Country Kids:
Very true-
I know though if you here to much "don't do this/don't do that" your ears start tuning things out.
If there are like 5 basic rules I think the kids are more adapt to doing them, then trying to learn 15 and can only remember 1/3 of them.
If they could only remember a third of them there would be a lot of conflict and escalation every day. I must take care of exceptionally bright children because by the time they are 18-24 months they know the rules and abide by them. The amount of reinforcement or correction daily is very small. Often we go weeks in between reminding or reinforcing. Very true-
I know though if you here to much "don't do this/don't do that" your ears start tuning things out.
If there are like 5 basic rules I think the kids are more adapt to doing them, then trying to learn 15 and can only remember 1/3 of them.
The training of the rules doesn't happen in one day and doesn't come from one source. The older kids model the rules. The younger kids learn. My staff assistant and I work with them from the time they can walk to learn our rules of play.
They all profit from the rules. "Build wide = then high" nets an amazing structure AND a good lot of "up and down" movements "arms in and out" of the bins both in taking out and putting back.
A two year old did this: http://www.nanshouse.com/apps/photos...toid=150595950
60 pronged base with 8 full completed levels plus unfinished levels above that. (not counting base) Do the math on that. That's working your way thru 480 prongs PLUS the unfinished 5 layers at the top. The only assistance she had was an adult placing the red bases you see at the bottom.
THAT is build wide then high.
The most important part of it was the "take apart and put back". That's where the lesson is. That's where the play rules come into place. Building it was a blast for this seasoned two year old builder but taking it apart and returning the pieces to a large deep bin.... once the challenge of it was over. That was some work and awesome exercise.
The rules are different rules then most may have BUT they net incredible players and great playmates. That's all I'm after.
MyAngels 06:48 AM 04-05-2012
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Ok, I am going to intervene here and add that the free-play rules that Nannyde has posted are nothing new to what she has said before. This topic, at least between the two of you ladies has been discussed many times before, if I remember correctly, so I think it probably doesn't really need to be rehashed again.
Nan~ I think you are VERY good at what YOU do and YOU have a good thing going for YOU (and the parents who knowingly buy your services) and I respect that.
Crystal~ I also have a tremendous respect for you as I am also in the field of Early Childhood and fully understand what DAP and all the things that ECE teaches us today. What it all means and its importance.
We can both agree that Nannyde does things a lot differently than any "teacher" or EC theorist teaches us to do so it is pretty much a given that you two will NEVER agree on any of your chosen methods for caring for or teaching kids, so I think it is best if the two of you simply ignore each other or just stop quoting each other.
We all get it. You two are about as opposite as two people can possibly be so let's just let sleeping dogs lie.
I normally do not get involved (although as a mod maybe I should more often....) I don't know, I just hate stepping on other people's rights to express themselves and have an opinion, but seriously my inbox is full of PM's saying "I wish Nannyde and Crystal will stop replying to each other and all the drama etc etc" ..
.....so I am basically just passing on the message.
Thank you for posting this. I've been thinking this same thing for quite some time - and I've definitely seen battle lines being drawn lately between other regular members as well. I really wish everyone would just cut it out and respect each other, even if they can't agree.Ok, I am going to intervene here and add that the free-play rules that Nannyde has posted are nothing new to what she has said before. This topic, at least between the two of you ladies has been discussed many times before, if I remember correctly, so I think it probably doesn't really need to be rehashed again.
Nan~ I think you are VERY good at what YOU do and YOU have a good thing going for YOU (and the parents who knowingly buy your services) and I respect that.
Crystal~ I also have a tremendous respect for you as I am also in the field of Early Childhood and fully understand what DAP and all the things that ECE teaches us today. What it all means and its importance.
We can both agree that Nannyde does things a lot differently than any "teacher" or EC theorist teaches us to do so it is pretty much a given that you two will NEVER agree on any of your chosen methods for caring for or teaching kids, so I think it is best if the two of you simply ignore each other or just stop quoting each other.
We all get it. You two are about as opposite as two people can possibly be so let's just let sleeping dogs lie.
I normally do not get involved (although as a mod maybe I should more often....) I don't know, I just hate stepping on other people's rights to express themselves and have an opinion, but seriously my inbox is full of PM's saying "I wish Nannyde and Crystal will stop replying to each other and all the drama etc etc" ..
.....so I am basically just passing on the message.
Crystal 07:00 AM 04-05-2012
Okay Nan. I see your reasons for your "rules" That doesn't mean I agree with them, but they are yours, they work for you, I am not going to debate them. I just wouldn't call your play time "free play" if you have that many rules, which was my point in the first place.
One question though....the picture of the "blocks"....I (as well as the environmental rating scales, which I know you don't follow) would not consider those blocks. (I know the box says blocks) Those are manipulatives, as are lincoln logs. I am just curious, do you have wood unit blocks at all? Those are the type of blocks I refer to when I say "build high" (and I do NOT mean this to be argumentative, I really am curious)
I have the mega blocks as well, and my toddlers can build like the pic you posted because it is actually easy to make them stand up....blocks have to be balanced and take a lot of work to create sturdy structures.
One question though....the picture of the "blocks"....I (as well as the environmental rating scales, which I know you don't follow) would not consider those blocks. (I know the box says blocks) Those are manipulatives, as are lincoln logs. I am just curious, do you have wood unit blocks at all? Those are the type of blocks I refer to when I say "build high" (and I do NOT mean this to be argumentative, I really am curious)
I have the mega blocks as well, and my toddlers can build like the pic you posted because it is actually easy to make them stand up....blocks have to be balanced and take a lot of work to create sturdy structures.
jenn 07:03 AM 04-05-2012
Originally Posted by nannyde:
The training of the rules doesn't happen in one day and doesn't come from one source. The older kids model the rules. The younger kids learn. My staff assistant and I work with them from the time they can walk to learn our rules of play.
Love that statement. The training of the rules doesn't happen in one day and doesn't come from one source. The older kids model the rules. The younger kids learn. My staff assistant and I work with them from the time they can walk to learn our rules of play.
I don't really have a list of written rules for free play, as acceptable behavior is modeled all along. I don't think the kids even think of it as rules, but just the way we play at Jenn's house. Safety, fairness, and sense of order in our organized chaos is the goal.
I think one of the wonderful things about home daycares is that we are all free to do what works for us, our home, our kiddos, and the parents we work with. What works for one, may not work at all for another. That doesn't make one daycare environment right and another wrong, that just makes it different. All kids and families have different needs, so we need different types of daycares.
Crystal 07:10 AM 04-05-2012
originally posted by Nan:
I think your concerns are pretty simple to figure out. I advise searching this board to see where providers would have specific play issues. I don't need to do this. I have read your counseling to providers in the past and I really don't need to read it again.
For example you asked about no roaring. Search the word "roar" and you can see a number of posts about it. Here is one: https://www.daycare.com/forum/showthr...highlight=roar And you saw my response in that thread. I would never tell a child he cannot roar when playing with toy animals though. In fact I didn't advise no roaring in that thread....I advised reading a book that would teach the child about friendship and not roaring at his friends
dumping and dropping: https://www.daycare.com/forum/showthr...highlight=cars I couldn't read the post you refer to....the link takes me to the daycare.com home page. However, I know we have discussed this in the past. I think it's okay to dump, you don't, no problem.
and on and on...
There are SO many examples of providers issues with the behaviors that my rules speak to. To understand "why" I have the rules... read the forum here and stay in touch with working providers of all levels of experience. Sure, there are. That doesn't mean it is DAP to have all of these rules. But, I won't debate that with you, as you have said yourself many times, you do not provide DAP. And, FTR, I stay in touch with providers of all levels of experience....here on this forum, in my program as mentor teacher for the college with student teachers ( I have three students this term), when I coteach a college class on Thursday nights and when I present workshops in the community for the California Early Childhood Mentor Program.....I am VERY in touch with providers of all levels of experience.
I think your concerns are pretty simple to figure out. I advise searching this board to see where providers would have specific play issues. I don't need to do this. I have read your counseling to providers in the past and I really don't need to read it again.
For example you asked about no roaring. Search the word "roar" and you can see a number of posts about it. Here is one: https://www.daycare.com/forum/showthr...highlight=roar And you saw my response in that thread. I would never tell a child he cannot roar when playing with toy animals though. In fact I didn't advise no roaring in that thread....I advised reading a book that would teach the child about friendship and not roaring at his friends
dumping and dropping: https://www.daycare.com/forum/showthr...highlight=cars I couldn't read the post you refer to....the link takes me to the daycare.com home page. However, I know we have discussed this in the past. I think it's okay to dump, you don't, no problem.
and on and on...
There are SO many examples of providers issues with the behaviors that my rules speak to. To understand "why" I have the rules... read the forum here and stay in touch with working providers of all levels of experience. Sure, there are. That doesn't mean it is DAP to have all of these rules. But, I won't debate that with you, as you have said yourself many times, you do not provide DAP. And, FTR, I stay in touch with providers of all levels of experience....here on this forum, in my program as mentor teacher for the college with student teachers ( I have three students this term), when I coteach a college class on Thursday nights and when I present workshops in the community for the California Early Childhood Mentor Program.....I am VERY in touch with providers of all levels of experience.
Hunni Bee 07:12 AM 04-05-2012
I dont think there's that much difference in Nan's rules and everyone else's, except she has just written out most of the things we might correct.
Like "no bellying up on the toys and lifting feet off the floor" is not a rule most of us have, but we'd stop a child from doing it if we saw it.
ETA: somebody already said that
Like "no bellying up on the toys and lifting feet off the floor" is not a rule most of us have, but we'd stop a child from doing it if we saw it.
ETA: somebody already said that
SunshineMama 07:18 AM 04-05-2012
FWIW, I let my dcks do whatever they want in the play room. As long as they are respectful to each other and share. If I see something dangerous about to occur (toddler climbing on unstable table) I intervene and advise not to repeat. This has worked for me. I understand lots of rules for liability reasons, but I believe that kids need to express their creativity as much as possible with as few rules as possible, as long as everyone is safe and respectful. I think I would be more inclined toward having more set rules for liability reasons if my own kids weren't in the mix though. I want my own kids to have free range to explore whatever they want, and the dcks benefit from that.
Crystal 07:32 AM 04-05-2012
Originally Posted by SunshineMama:
FWIW, I let my dcks do whatever they want in the play room. As long as they are respectful to each other and share. If I see something dangerous about to occur (toddler climbing on unstable table) I intervene and advise not to repeat. This has worked for me. I understand lots of rules for liability reasons, but I believe that kids need to express their creativity as much as possible with as few rules as possible, as long as everyone is safe and respectful. I think I would be more inclined toward having more set rules for liability reasons if my own kids weren't in the mix though. I want my own kids to have free range to explore whatever they want, and the dcks benefit from that.
Same here. Safe and Respectful being key words. FWIW, I let my dcks do whatever they want in the play room. As long as they are respectful to each other and share. If I see something dangerous about to occur (toddler climbing on unstable table) I intervene and advise not to repeat. This has worked for me. I understand lots of rules for liability reasons, but I believe that kids need to express their creativity as much as possible with as few rules as possible, as long as everyone is safe and respectful. I think I would be more inclined toward having more set rules for liability reasons if my own kids weren't in the mix though. I want my own kids to have free range to explore whatever they want, and the dcks benefit from that.
JenNJ 07:43 AM 04-05-2012
Originally Posted by Crystal:
Same here. Safe and Respectful being key words.
I agree. Same here. Safe and Respectful being key words.
My rules probably seem over the top as well, but I have an adventurous group, lol. I never thought I would need a rule to not put toys in our socks, lol! These are rules specific to my current group. My twin dcb's are the ringleaders and the other monkeys quickly follow their lead.
Crystal 07:48 AM 04-05-2012
Originally Posted by JenNJ:
I agree.
My rules probably seem over the top as well, but I have an adventurous group, lol. I never thought I would need a rule to not put toys in our socks, lol! These are rules specific to my current group. My twin dcb's are the ringleaders and the other monkeys quickly follow their lead.
LOL!I agree.
My rules probably seem over the top as well, but I have an adventurous group, lol. I never thought I would need a rule to not put toys in our socks, lol! These are rules specific to my current group. My twin dcb's are the ringleaders and the other monkeys quickly follow their lead.
Yes, I agree! There does need to be a set of rules for specific/current groups. I have basic rules, and change them based on the needs/interests/developmental levels of the group I am working with. The children also have a role in the "rule-making" For instance, if we have a block thrower, we would sit as a group and have a discussion about it and I would ask the CHILDREN what they think might be a good rule for the situation. They inevitably come up with the rule "don't throw blocks" because we have discussed what happens when blocks are thrown. I have found that if the children have some role in the decision making, they are MUCH more likely to follow the "rules" that way!
B Lou 07:55 AM 04-05-2012
Ok, I've been reading this post for awhile now and I guess I'm just a little confused. One set of rules isn't always going to work for everyone. My rules work for me and my dck's and maybe not for everyone else. Even my dcp are amazed at the fact that I don't child proof my home. Not to say that the outlets aren't covered, the stairs have gates, and the cabinets have locks. But I keep my home decorated to my style and the dck's have just learned not to touch.
I guess I believe that a child can learn the rules at a young age as long as you are consistent.
I guess I believe that a child can learn the rules at a young age as long as you are consistent.
countrymom 08:08 AM 04-05-2012
crystal i have to agree with you 100% those rules are ridiculous. These are little children who don't read, why on earth would you post rules up when they can't read. Why would you prohibit their thinking ability by not allowing them to "roar" its called "free play" for a reason. This is called "helicopter parenting" you stand over the children and watch what they do, you make sure they follow all the rules, thats crazy. If you have so many rules in your house, then maybe thats too many children for you to handle, because even the schools don't have those kind of crazy rules.
Crystal 08:09 AM 04-05-2012
Originally Posted by countrymom:
crystal i have to agree with you 100% those rules are ridiculous. These are little children who don't read, why on earth would you post rules up when they can't read. Why would you prohibit their thinking ability by not allowing them to "roar" its called "free play" for a reason. This is called "helicopter parenting" you stand over the children and watch what they do, you make sure they follow all the rules, thats crazy. If you have so many rules in your house, then maybe thats too many children for you to handle, because even the schools don't have those kind of crazy rules.
crystal i have to agree with you 100% those rules are ridiculous. These are little children who don't read, why on earth would you post rules up when they can't read. Why would you prohibit their thinking ability by not allowing them to "roar" its called "free play" for a reason. This is called "helicopter parenting" you stand over the children and watch what they do, you make sure they follow all the rules, thats crazy. If you have so many rules in your house, then maybe thats too many children for you to handle, because even the schools don't have those kind of crazy rules.
Thank you. I agree wholeheartedly.
mom2many 08:20 AM 04-05-2012
Originally Posted by Clueless:
my rules...
Be safe
Be kind
Be neat
sounds simple right?
But if you think about it that pretty much covers it all. I say Lil johnny is it safe, kind or neat to throw that?
NO!
I can get really specific with these rules.
Running in side?
Not safe, go back and walk.
Disrespect your friend, not kind!
rebuild their tower, Please
Knock down your playmate?
Not safe or kind.
Help them up and comfort them till they are feeling all better. Then when they feel all better they will let me know and you can go play.
my rules...
Be safe
Be kind
Be neat
sounds simple right?
But if you think about it that pretty much covers it all. I say Lil johnny is it safe, kind or neat to throw that?
NO!
I can get really specific with these rules.
Running in side?
Not safe, go back and walk.
Disrespect your friend, not kind!
rebuild their tower, Please
Knock down your playmate?
Not safe or kind.
Help them up and comfort them till they are feeling all better. Then when they feel all better they will let me know and you can go play.
This has been my philosophy!
nannyde 08:25 AM 04-05-2012
Originally Posted by Crystal:
Okay Nan. I see your reasons for your "rules" That doesn't mean I agree with them, but they are yours, they work for you, I am not going to debate them. I just wouldn't call your play time "free play" if you have that many rules, which was my point in the first place.
One question though....the picture of the "blocks"....I (as well as the environmental rating scales, which I know you don't follow) would not consider those blocks. (I know the box says blocks) Those are manipulatives, as are lincoln logs. I am just curious, do you have wood unit blocks at all? Those are the type of blocks I refer to when I say "build high" (and I do NOT mean this to be argumentative, I really am curious)
I have the mega blocks as well, and my toddlers can build like the pic you posted because it is actually easy to make them stand up....blocks have to be balanced and take a lot of work to create sturdy structures.
yes we have a kick collection of wooden blocks. If I get a chance I will photograph them and put them in the toy collection pics. We also have foam and cardboard mellissa and doug blocks.Okay Nan. I see your reasons for your "rules" That doesn't mean I agree with them, but they are yours, they work for you, I am not going to debate them. I just wouldn't call your play time "free play" if you have that many rules, which was my point in the first place.
One question though....the picture of the "blocks"....I (as well as the environmental rating scales, which I know you don't follow) would not consider those blocks. (I know the box says blocks) Those are manipulatives, as are lincoln logs. I am just curious, do you have wood unit blocks at all? Those are the type of blocks I refer to when I say "build high" (and I do NOT mean this to be argumentative, I really am curious)
I have the mega blocks as well, and my toddlers can build like the pic you posted because it is actually easy to make them stand up....blocks have to be balanced and take a lot of work to create sturdy structures.
nannyde 10:59 AM 04-05-2012
Originally Posted by countrymom:
crystal i have to agree with you 100% those rules are ridiculous. These are little children who don't read, why on earth would you post rules up when they can't read. Why would you prohibit their thinking ability by not allowing them to "roar" its called "free play" for a reason. This is called "helicopter parenting" you stand over the children and watch what they do, you make sure they follow all the rules, thats crazy. If you have so many rules in your house, then maybe thats too many children for you to handle, because even the schools don't have those kind of crazy rules.
Who said anything about posting rules? My kids can't read until their fifth year. By that time they already know all the rules. That's silly to me. crystal i have to agree with you 100% those rules are ridiculous. These are little children who don't read, why on earth would you post rules up when they can't read. Why would you prohibit their thinking ability by not allowing them to "roar" its called "free play" for a reason. This is called "helicopter parenting" you stand over the children and watch what they do, you make sure they follow all the rules, thats crazy. If you have so many rules in your house, then maybe thats too many children for you to handle, because even the schools don't have those kind of crazy rules.
My sons school handbook is about fifty pages.
nannyde 11:02 AM 04-05-2012
Had a chance to snap a few of the wooden blocks we have out now:
http://www.nanshouse.com/apps/photos...toid=152945764
http://www.nanshouse.com/apps/photos...toid=152945765
http://www.nanshouse.com/apps/photos...toid=152945764
http://www.nanshouse.com/apps/photos...toid=152945764
http://www.nanshouse.com/apps/photos...toid=152945765
http://www.nanshouse.com/apps/photos...toid=152945764
sharlan 05:05 PM 04-05-2012
I'm pretty easy going with the toys.
My main rules are no throwing of anything besides balls. Balls get played with in the playroom or outside, not in the familyroom.
I guess most of you wouldn't allow Razor scooters or bicycles in the house, either.
I also have craft supplies set out in 3 different rooms. All the kids are free to use them. The only rule is they have to be kept on that specific table.
My main rules are no throwing of anything besides balls. Balls get played with in the playroom or outside, not in the familyroom.
I guess most of you wouldn't allow Razor scooters or bicycles in the house, either.
I also have craft supplies set out in 3 different rooms. All the kids are free to use them. The only rule is they have to be kept on that specific table.
My3cents 11:55 AM 04-06-2012
I like both of you and your ideas-
I find myself in the middle looking for the best balance for me and the group that I have at the time.
Crystal- I don't like being told what to do by a all those abbreviations. Rules that are made up in a meeting. Looks good, sounds good but practicality of it.......na
Nan- I used to have a "nana" that had the coolest set of block like your castle blocks. It was such a treat to get to play with those blocks. I get where your coming from. I get you and your advice and wisdom and experience.
My style is more of what works in the moment for the group that I have. I am creative, colorful and love spoiling my kids. If you could call it spoiling.
You both bring great things to this forum.....sad to see you got sent to the thinking spot. Hope you both come back roaring and wide foundationed because you both add such a sparkle here. Happy Easter to both of you and to all-
I find myself in the middle looking for the best balance for me and the group that I have at the time.
Crystal- I don't like being told what to do by a all those abbreviations. Rules that are made up in a meeting. Looks good, sounds good but practicality of it.......na
Nan- I used to have a "nana" that had the coolest set of block like your castle blocks. It was such a treat to get to play with those blocks. I get where your coming from. I get you and your advice and wisdom and experience.
My style is more of what works in the moment for the group that I have. I am creative, colorful and love spoiling my kids. If you could call it spoiling.
You both bring great things to this forum.....sad to see you got sent to the thinking spot. Hope you both come back roaring and wide foundationed because you both add such a sparkle here. Happy Easter to both of you and to all-