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williams2008 11:27 AM 06-17-2013
I think it is time for me to move the daycare back to my house. As much as I enjoy having the separate space, things are just not working out the way I planned for the to

I feel like I have failed and on top of that I have a signed lease on the rental property. I am sooooo confused and I just don't know what else to do
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EntropyControlSpecialist 11:33 AM 06-17-2013
How much longer do you have on the lease?
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My3cents 11:38 AM 06-17-2013
Originally Posted by williams2008:
I think it is time for me to move the daycare back to my house. As much as I enjoy having the separate space, things are just not working out the way I planned for the to

I feel like I have failed and on top of that I have a signed lease on the rental property. I am sooooo confused and I just don't know what else to do


put yourself back to where your head was when you decided to adventure to this new place. Go back and figure out how you can fix things. Think outside the box. Huttle up and put the thinking cap on and start a new- tweak what is not working. Make list.

You didn't fail- you tried something new. change your thinking pattern to be more positive and see if that helps put things in a new perspective.
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williams2008 11:41 AM 06-17-2013
Originally Posted by EntropyControlSpecialist:
How much longer do you have on the lease?
Another 2.5 years. I know I shouldn't have signed a 3 year lease, but things were really looking up at the time of the move and I had made up my mind that I was going to stay here and make it work regardless of what happens.

I was at full enrollment and since being here I have lost 4 kids and I still haven't been able to fill their spots. I have been so stressed about trying to make ends meet.
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EntropyControlSpecialist 11:44 AM 06-17-2013
Would moving it back home help you financially, or would it be the same because you are still paying the lease?

What advertising are you doing right now?

Could you POSSIBLY offer a "Refer a Client!" incentive to current clients and offer them $50.00 off of one weeks tuition should a client they refer enroll and remain in care for x amount of months?
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melilley 12:05 PM 06-17-2013
Oh, I'm so sorry! I know how excited you were when you moved the daycare! Maybe give it another month or so if you can. I know that there are times when people look for care more than others, maybe it's just slow right now.?
I agree with My3cents, you didn't fail! You took a big risk of moving and actually made it happen, I wish I could do the same! I also like her idea of thinking outside the box and making a list. Maybe put the list on here and we can brainstorm and come up with some solutions, you never know, there might be something that someone has done that you didn't think of that helped them.
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williams2008 12:21 PM 06-17-2013
Originally Posted by EntropyControlSpecialist:
Would moving it back home help you financially, or would it be the same because you are still paying the lease?

What advertising are you doing right now?

Could you POSSIBLY offer a "Refer a Client!" incentive to current clients and offer them $50.00 off of one weeks tuition should a client they refer enroll and remain in care for x amount of months?
Moving home wouldn't help me out financially unless the landlord was to let me out of the lease

I actually been thinking of doing a "Refer a Client" with an incentive of $30.00 off of their one weeks tuition.
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williams2008 12:30 PM 06-17-2013
Originally Posted by My3cents:


put yourself back to where your head was when you decided to adventure to this new place. Go back and figure out how you can fix things. Think outside the box. Huttle up and put the thinking cap on and start a new- tweak what is not working. Make list.

You didn't fail- you tried something new. change your thinking pattern to be more positive and see if that helps put things in a new perspective.
Thank you! I have been brainstorming the entire weekend about what I could do different.
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Unregistered 12:36 PM 06-17-2013
I'm sorry this isn't working for you. I have often thought of doing this but by the time I would pay rent, utilities, insurance, etc. I would more then like be bringing home nothing or very little.

I did have a friend that did this for a year and in the end ended up back at her house because she financially was making nothing at it. I think you would have to have a large chilcare, with low rent/utilities/etc. to really make it work.

We have a center that does tons of parent donations because by the time they pay mortgage/rent, all the workers, utilities, etc. there really isn't anything to put back into the business.
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mamac 12:43 PM 06-17-2013
Maybe you could try a summer camp program just to get some money coming in for the next few months. Kind of like a drop in program but for a week at a time. No permanent contracts. Just plan lots of fun, summer type activities without the curriculum aspect so parents have a place to send their kid for a week. Or you could do a "college for kids" type program and offer a week long class in a specific theme. Here is a link from a local university and their course descriptions to give you an idea. Most of them are geared for the older SA kids but maybe you could tweak them for the younger kids.
http://www.westfield.ma.edu/cfk/wp-c...ochure2013.pdf

Cooking week? Paper mache? Recycled Art? Fitness? Bubbles? (see related thread)

Maybe people will see what you have to offer and become regular clients?

I'm sure we can think of something that will help. Don't give up yet!!!!
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Blackcat31 12:53 PM 06-17-2013
Originally Posted by williams2008:
Thank you! I have been brainstorming the entire weekend about what I could do different.
I'm sorry that you aren't having any luck with moving to a separate place.

Is it lack of enrollment or is it something else?

I DO think child care enrollment is down for almost everyone as the economy is definitely forcing families to become more self-supportive and to find ways in which to cut back on expenses.

I wish there was something I could say or do to help you out as I have NEVER regretted having a separate building for child care....(although it did take me a few months to fill up).....it was/is still the best thing I ever did.

I make a nice income and contrary to some beliefs, I don't have to maintain a really large group or have low overhead costs to make a profit....just a good business plan that allows for MORE income than expenses.

I'd like to say "Don't give up" but I don't know your financial situation so I guess the bottom line is you have to do what you have to do in order to survive.

I do wish you the best though no matter what you decide to do.
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AmyKidsCo 01:58 PM 06-17-2013
I'm sorry.

I agree about the summer camp idea - parents seem to like enrolling their children in camps and will pay more than for "plain child care."
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williams2008 02:29 PM 06-17-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
I'm sorry that you aren't having any luck with moving to a separate place.

Is it lack of enrollment or is it something else?

I DO think child care enrollment is down for almost everyone as the economy is definitely forcing families to become more self-supportive and to find ways in which to cut back on expenses.

I wish there was something I could say or do to help you out as I have NEVER regretted having a separate building for child care....(although it did take me a few months to fill up).....it was/is still the best thing I ever did.

I make a nice income and contrary to some beliefs, I don't have to maintain a really large group or have low overhead costs to make a profit....just a good business plan that allows for MORE income than expenses.

I'd like to say "Don't give up" but I don't know your financial situation so I guess the bottom line is you have to do what you have to do in order to survive.

I do wish you the best though no matter what you decide to do.
Yes it's the lack of enrollment. With school being out and older siblings at home parents are trying to save money.I understand their decisions as well, but it has hit me really hard with the drop in enrollment.
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williams2008 02:33 PM 06-17-2013
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
I'm sorry this isn't working for you. I have often thought of doing this but by the time I would pay rent, utilities, insurance, etc. I would more then like be bringing home nothing or very little.

I did have a friend that did this for a year and in the end ended up back at her house because she financially was making nothing at it. I think you would have to have a large chilcare, with low rent/utilities/etc. to really make it work.

We have a center that does tons of parent donations because by the time they pay mortgage/rent, all the workers, utilities, etc. there really isn't anything to put back into the business.
I'm at that point now of bringing home very little. I keep telling myself that if I can just make it through the summer things will pick back up!
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williams2008 02:38 PM 06-17-2013
Originally Posted by mamac:
Maybe you could try a summer camp program just to get some money coming in for the next few months. Kind of like a drop in program but for a week at a time. No permanent contracts. Just plan lots of fun, summer type activities without the curriculum aspect so parents have a place to send their kid for a week. Or you could do a "college for kids" type program and offer a week long class in a specific theme. Here is a link from a local university and their course descriptions to give you an idea. Most of them are geared for the older SA kids but maybe you could tweak them for the younger kids.
http://www.westfield.ma.edu/cfk/wp-c...ochure2013.pdf

Cooking week? Paper mache? Recycled Art? Fitness? Bubbles? (see related thread)

Maybe people will see what you have to offer and become regular clients?

I'm sure we can think of something that will help. Don't give up yet!!!!
The summer camp sounds like a great idea!

Right now all the other daycares along with myself are fighting a battle against 2 programs. One summer program is offered at a church here and they only charge $25.00 per week. The other program is only charging $20.00 for the entire summer.
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mamac 03:56 PM 06-17-2013
Originally Posted by williams2008:
The summer camp sounds like a great idea!

Right now all the other daycares along with myself are fighting a battle against 2 programs. One summer program is offered at a church here and they only charge $25.00 per week. The other program is only charging $20.00 for the entire summer.
Wow that's a tough one. I would say try to stick it out for as long as you can especially if there is no way you can get out of the lease. You're in the same financial situation regardless of where your dc is until you're out of the lease, right? I mean, if you have to pay for it, you might as well use it. I'm sure you'd rather have things turn around for you where you wanted them to instead of giving up your dream too early by going back home.

Do you think you could try to renegotiate with the landlord for a 1 year lease with an option to continue the 3 years after 9 months? That way hopefully by then you'd have a more steady income. If not, then at least the landlord would have 3 months to find someone new before you're out and you would have given yourself at least a year to make it work.

Exhaust all options before throwing in the towel.


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EntropyControlSpecialist 04:41 PM 06-17-2013
Originally Posted by williams2008:
The summer camp sounds like a great idea!

Right now all the other daycares along with myself are fighting a battle against 2 programs. One summer program is offered at a church here and they only charge $25.00 per week. The other program is only charging $20.00 for the entire summer.
HOLY COW! $20 for an entire summer?! What the heck are the hours for that?
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countrymom 08:40 PM 06-17-2013
Originally Posted by EntropyControlSpecialist:
HOLY COW! $20 for an entire summer?! What the heck are the hours for that?
but don't summer camps have to follow some sort of rules too. If they are not in line I would call them in.
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originalkat 02:22 PM 06-18-2013
I know a lot of daycares around here are really low on enrollment for the summer. I have managed to stay full, but I know there are many having a hard time.
My advice would be to TRY to hold out until the end of summer and see if u can get your enrollment back up. If you have to then I would speak to my landlord about getting out of the lease. Just be honest and he may let you out with a small penalty.
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My3cents 04:07 PM 06-18-2013
Originally Posted by countrymom:
but don't summer camps have to follow some sort of rules too. If they are not in line I would call them in.
I would think so but my guess is that these programs are federally funded or state funded. UGH!

I would be leery of sending my child to a program that cost so little- but I know so many parents that wouldn't blink an eye at it.

We pulled our kids from a program that we went in to pick up our children and the kids were all over the place and the staff was barely there watching them. The staff were kids as well, that had no control over the kids and an adult was not seen- A well known camp for kids- This camp did cost as much as a daycare- We thought it would be fun for our kids, it was so out control and not organized we didn't go back, we pulled them that day.
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Brooksie 04:08 PM 06-18-2013
Originally Posted by williams2008:
Another 2.5 years. I know I shouldn't have signed a 3 year lease, but things were really looking up at the time of the move and I had made up my mind that I was going to stay here and make it work regardless of what happens.

I was at full enrollment and since being here I have lost 4 kids and I still haven't been able to fill their spots. I have been so stressed about trying to make ends meet.

All I can say is I feel your pain...
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daycarediva 05:16 PM 06-18-2013
Are you able to sublet your lease? If so, I would try REALLY, REALLY hard to get someone to rent it, even at a lower rate.

We were in a lease, and then had the opportunity to purchase our first home, with 18+ months left on our lease. We called and were allowed to sublet our townhome, and we found someone to rent it. They paid $200/m LESS than we did, so we did have to still make up the difference for that time frame, but at least it was not the full amount monthly.
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