|
Parents and Guardians Forum Parents and Guardians should post and answer questions here. |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#101
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
It makes me loopy when I take the time and effort to create a contract that people are supposed to have read, they definitely signed, and THEN they complain later. If you didn't want to have to pay for those days, why did you agree to do so? |
#102
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
|
#103
|
||||
|
||||
Licensed provider?
Quote:
|
#104
|
|||
|
|||
paying day care
I can understand paid holidays for the day care providers (and I hope that they use this money to give their staff paid holidays!)...however, when I get a phone call while in route to the daycare saying that they are closing due to not having enough staff to watch the children (due to wether) then I am not a happy camper. Now I either have to find somebody very quickly and pay them to watch my children for the day OR lose a day's pay myself and still have to pay the daycare...so, now let's look at this situation from the daycare's point of view. She does not have to pay her staff since they called in, she does not have to pay for utilities for that day, there will be no arts and crafts supplies used that day, no toilet paper, no paper towles...you get me point...it doesn't seem right to charge for a day that you close that is NOT a holiday...oh, and by the way, teachers DO NOT get paid holidays. They get paid for 180 school days plus however many professional development days they have to do...if schools are closed for a snow day the teachers do not get paid for that day, they have to make it up in June and that's another day taken away from them that they could be working a summer job and making money...
|
#105
|
||||
|
||||
the state I live in, teachers get paid a salary, average here $47,000 per year....break that down and that is a pretty damn good wage for the days and amount of hours actually worked for the school year..... plus all the benefits and PTO.
__________________
mom to many. |
#106
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
But I have to disagree with this.This is what the Universal Child Care Benefit is. Unfortunately, too many parents just think of this as money for themselves. 100/mth/child under 6 yo. This is financing to offset the cost to parents. |
#107
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
So indirectly they are still paid. When there is a snow day they don't deduct a day of pay. I'm pretty sure teachers' unions would not permit that! |
#108
|
||||
|
||||
the only time I don't charge is if I'm taking the day off. I had surgery and took a week off to heal, I didn't charge for that week, if I take a vacation, I don't charge...but if a parent takes their kid home early, decides to have a mommy/baby day, and for days like Christmas, Thanksgiving, etc, then I charge unless the day falls on a weekend, like Christmas was on Saturday last year, I didn't charge because I wouldn't have been watching the kids anyway.
everyone is different, and no way is right or wrong, what counts is whether or not you agree with the providers rules, no one forced you to sign on the dotted line |
#109
|
|||
|
|||
Health care professional
My, you sound like a provider who really doesn't like parents or children... Maybe time to find a new profession? I am a healthcare professional and think it is completely fair to provide my childcare provider for the same paid holidays that most other professionals receive.. These would be Christmas, Thanksgiving, etc.. But, we had one who wanted paid time off for every school vacation day, including the 2 weeks off at Christmas paid! This is an extreme hardship on parents who must pay "double" and find someone else to cover those days. Many of these parents aren't lucky enough to be getting ANY paid holidays of their own... Of the ones who are, only parents who happen to be school teachers are getting as many paid holidays as this childcare provider. (We found someone new). If this woman wants so many paid holidays she should go back to college and get a teaching degree.[/quote]
It sounded more like she was frustrated by parents that are unappreciative of a good provider. Listen, there are all sorts of providers out there both good and bad, effective and ineffective. The bottom line is that when you sign up it's important to ask the questions that would be most important to you and the fact that days off didn't come up is an indication that you were more concerned with other things. Maybe now it's become an issue and that happens. There are a varied amount of providers (as you'll read) with varied policies. In the end, it's up to the provider to decide and we do that based on what our expenses are..and some of us have more expenses than others. We have staff, food, utilities, insurance costs, curriculum costs, staff and personal training costs (in NY we are mandated to continue trainings even with a MA!!) cleaning services etc... Many work 11 and 12 hour days (think about your center hours) doing a really tough job. It's not easy to care for a bunch of little children each day trying to ensure their safety and well being, their health and their development. The frustration comes because when parents penny pinch, it comes across as inconsiderate, selfish and ungrateful. By the way, I do have a degree and am a certified teacher. I opted for this because I believe education starts here. Additionally, when your child goes to school, the same will be required. You will either pay for private school, even during school closings, and there are many!! OR you will pay for care during those times and many of us see ourselves as more than "babysitters" but preschools. "By the way, if this woman wants to be paid for so many holidays she should go back to school and get a teaching degree" .... I don't have to get a job in a school to get days off!! I can do whatever I want - as did your old childcare provider. And while I only close one week a year, don't take many days off and I do have subs if I get sick (although I never have!) the bottom line is it's really not your place to make those sorts of comments or judgments. We do teach. We are teachers at our OWN schools and you not knowing what the policies are about days off - well that's your problem ..and I guess your child's. ..I mean now that they're probably getting substandard care..DAILY because they're open all the time. |
#110
|
||||
|
||||
Healthcare "Professional",
Wanted to let you know that MANY of the providers here were also Healthcare Providers BEFORE we went into daycare. As a matter of fact there are many here with Master's and, I suspect, one or two with Doctorates. Most, that I know, opened home daycares/centers because the hours/dedication required were not conducive to raising a family and we made the CHOICE to create our own jobs to solve that issue. I, myself, plan to be back in the field in 5 more years as my kids are teens, now. Just like the patients choice of going to a level one ER or a Doc-in-the-box at the local strip mall, daycare has it's professional levels of service. And in the exact same way, you get what you pay for and are treated as you treat the staff. I am sorry you feel it is unfair, but do you really feel it is fair to charge $22 for two Tylenol in the hospital? Some things just ARE.....and usually for the same reasons. My personal policy is that if I am open: they pay, if I am closed: they don't. I do that because I have three kids and know it gets expensive. It is a courtesy, since NONE of the centers near me do that. Believe it or not, I had parents complaining that I was OPEN during the snowstorm. They don't feel they should have to pay me since they "could not get here". We had barely 6 inches of snow and the roads were clear by 10 am each morning. I had breakfast/art projects ready and waiting and they all did the "no call-no show" thing....WHY should I give them a discount??? It really is IMPOSSIBLE to please everybody. Last edited by Cat Herder; 01-27-2011 at 04:10 AM. Reason: Adding |
#111
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
In the economy, there is clearly a trend to hire hourly employees who only get paid for the hours they work with few or no benefis. This means everyone who works in 7-11s all the way to high end Information Technology contract positions. FTE is shrinking, hourly "temp" positions are growing. Legally, day care providers are independent contractors. What they get paid is stated in each individual contract. If there is enough leverage and you are in the right area, you can negotiate a good contract. Otherwise, not. OTOH, I do perfectly understand business needs of the daycare. It costs whatever it costs. So no matter how you slice it, you have to pay that cost. Either annually, monthly, weekly, daily or hourly. If hourly, then the rate has to reflect the costs. Paying weekly is just a little easier to deal with than writing a 4-digit montly check, maybe. Or maybe not. Whether one gets say 7 days of sick time or holidays or bad weather, it will have to be made up via higher hourly or daily/weekly rates. It just really depends on your local economy, if it allows the leverage to do that. Usually it's a buyer's market but not everywhere it seems. |
#112
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
If you do not want to pay for days that your child is not attending or holidays it would probably be in your best interest to look for a daycare that offers such. |
#113
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
If you don't want to pay for holidays though there are providers out there that do not charge...however it is not fair to knock us professionals that do! |
#114
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
Wow can you sound anymore bitchy!? It was a simple question. That is what's wrong with the Daycare system these days is the owners are all money hungry that watch our "precious" for a ton of money! |
#115
|
||||
|
||||
Why are these types of posts approved? This thread last finished in Feb and then someone who is unregistered bumps it back up only to have a potty mouth.
|
#116
|
||||
|
||||
I hear you, Former Teacher.
I want to know where I can find a precious to keep for a ton of money Throw me in that briar bush....
__________________
- Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them. |
#117
|
||||
|
||||
yeah this whole argument needs to just die....forever. If you don't like your daycare situation, FIND SOMETHING ELSE! no one is holding you hostage to keep your kid there. If this is the best situation you can find then stop complaining and just accept it as it is. There is NO way that a provider could keep every family happy on each thing.
Totally different topic but why should I reduce my rates just because the economy is bad? Would someone else turn down a promotion just because every one else didn't get one? I understand everyone has hard times during life but does Walmart reduce prices just for you because your hours got cut back? I absolutely hate the arguments about daycare costing so much. Kids ARE expensive, deal with it. |
#118
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
I disagree wholeheartedly with this statement about being money hungry. In comparison, lets just look at the numbers.... Daycare provider charges $25/child/day....this includes their food, snacks, milk, juice, toilet flushes, toilet paper, soap to wash dishes, soap to wash their hands, cleaning products to keep everything clean so dear dcc doesn't get sick, energy costs associated with equipment, cooking etc, personal chef, personal caterer, butt wiper, friend, and i can go on and on and on. We also make sure we feed dck's healthy, well balanced meals, not kraft dinner or hot dogs everyday. And lets also consider that the approximate amount of food each child will eat per day is $4.27 off of the $25/day. Right now I have 2 dck's who I charge 25/day for 1 and 22/day for the other.... that's less than $50/ day I make for my 11 hour day (because they are staggered arrival/departure times..... After factoring the food costs associated with your child, plus all the overhead, how much are us daycare providers truly making???? $5/day? $10/day? For more than a 12 hour day once you factor in all the clean up and prep work before and after daycare hours. Alot of parents make different money at work, but lets go on a wage a lot of people I know make (and yes i do realize that many work for less than this) @ $25/hr for an 8 hour work day, that's $200/day! Is it REALLLLLLY worth all these negative comments about daycare providers who charge and having to find backups, and blah blah blah. We are not money hungry, if we were, we would charge ALOT MORE! It really bothers me when posters on here state how we make so much money, and this and that. We do this job because we love it, and we want to offer our home out to your child. Not because we are money hungry. Last edited by dEHmom; 06-24-2011 at 06:09 AM. |
#119
|
|||
|
|||
LOL! It's just a troll looking for a reaction! Hit your internal ignore button!
|
#120
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
|
#121
|
||||
|
||||
|
#122
|
|||
|
|||
Both experienced taking my child to a daycare and having my own daycare
Quote:
When I was taking my child to a day care provider some years ago, all I know is that I'm paying her for taking care of my child and that's it! I worked at a retail store and the word "holiday" does not really exist so, I was a little bit upset. I thought that it was really not fair for me to pay her when I can't bring my son in due to her vacation or paid holiday. I thought that it was not fair that she's getting paid for relaxing and spending time with her family while I have to go to work and leave my child to some other stranger just so she can take her "day off". Well, after a few years I decided to open up my own day care and learned a few things on how to run this business. Well, I did not know about the capacity limit and the restrictions set by the state. So, here's how it works: Capacity limit of 6-8 kids for small day care - this means that 3 kids can be ages from 0-24 months and 8 kids if u have 2 school aged kids with only 2 kids that are 0-24mos of age If you had you small day care license for over a year, you can request for a large license meaning your capacity limit will be changed from 6-8 to 12-14 kids with age restrictions. Capacity limit of 12-kids are allowed if you have 4 kids ages 0-24 months. If only 3 kids are ages 0-24 mos, you can have up to 14 provided that at least 2 of them are school aged. You are also required to have an assistant. Now, going back to the question. Why do parents have to pay their child care providers even if their child is not present? Because child care providers don't get paid by the hour. If we do, then it's only fair not to charge for the time or days that their child is not in our care. If we at least get paid the minimum wage, no child care provider will complain. This is how I make parents understand and realize that they are paying for the spot and not for my time: I offer the "drop-in basis". This means that parents don't have to pay me for the days that their child is not here, but since the spot is not guaranteed for their child, they have to call me the day before they wish to drop off their child. Of course, if I have the spot, I say sure... but, if I don't... then I just say "no". Parents are our clients, not our employers. We don't have employees' rights but, we set our own policies. We don't get paid by the hour but we charge for the child's spot. Just like a retail store, if you don't like their return policy or their prices... you just simply have to move on. We are a business and not employees. I hope this helps. |
#123
|
||||
|
||||
I think you def. do have to look at it as a "case by case" issue. Although it is not illegal to charge for holidays or days not there. You do need to put a lot of time looking for a provider... To be honest, I think person(s) looking for care for their child(s) need to do a lot of investigating on what they want in a provider/facility. There are going to be compromises on both ends. But you need to make sure you make a list of things you are looking for. Your child is the most important thing to you so why not take the time to really go in and look for that "perfect" care your looking for. Take in consideration that this is a business to us and we work soooo very hard on making sure your child is safe, loved, entertained, taught, encouraged, I could go on and on. I am willing to bet that your not happy where your at bc you wouldn't question at all pay. You would be sooo over happy where your leaving your child that money would never be a issue. If you think your paying to much you need to be in communication with your provider. Start looking in your area for what the going rate is and if they charge for days that your child is not there. Some do some don't. I do not but I can tell you. My child care here every day. They don't miss days and the parent provide me with toys, food, gift certificates, little notes of appreciation. They do this with out me even asking. I love it bc it makes me feel appreciated..and I would never ask for more money bc these parent go above and beyond. I sometimes will care for a child when it is a holiday and I charge double my normal rate. They don't complain or even argue it. I am hardly ever sick. Last yr I had pneumonia and was sick for 3 days and some of my kids stayed home and i had maybe 2 child that my husband came home to help watch since I could not. We all make do as we all care and love each other. It's a group effort but it is still a business. If you agreed and signed the contract your bound to it. If you now feel that you can't continue paying or you now don't agree you need to have a talk with your provider and either try to find a compromise or give your 2 weeks notice but understand that you will still have to pay regardless of whether your child is there or not.
|
#124
|
||||
|
||||
I started to reply, but didnt read the whole post. However my take on charging for holidays is this. I charge a rate. Its a weekly rate. You pay this weekly rate to me every week. The only time you do not have to pay me is when I am on vacation, because then I feel that they may have to pay for another daycare.
Here is a way to think about it. or word it. "I charge a weekly fee of $150 a week ( for example ). This is to be paid weekly on Monday. There is no discount for days off or holidays because it is already worked into the tuition amount. It also covers the food, love, warmth, electricity, ...... etc. that I will provide. Even times/days your child is not here I am planning for them to be here. Food, arts, laundry, gifts, etc." If you think about how many days we work in a year ( me its 60 a week times 52 weeks = 3,120. Then subtract my week off, and then about 5 holidays. So about 3000 hours. Divide this by 52 weeks is about 57 hours a week, equals to about 2.60 an hour. OR if we did the hourly way, that parents want only when their child was here. I would not charge 2.60 an hour. I would charge about 4 an hour, so pretty much paying $170 a week. that was a bunch of rambling, but in other words the tuition that a parent pays every week here takes into account the holidays and days off when making the price. |
#125
|
|||
|
|||
ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? (No pun intended)
If you want PAID holidays then get a job where you work for someone.... you own a day care so put your big boy pants on and understand what going in to businees means!!!
|
#126
|
|||
|
|||
Yes it is. A daycare is a business you are coming to someone's business you are not their boss and you do not set the rules, if you want to do that hire a nanny. All licensed daycare's have a contract (if you went to one that is not licensed that is your fault) and you signed that contract so you are abide to follow the rules. If you do not like it, look for another place for your child. And when you do think that daycare providers work 12 to 13 hours a day for less than 3 dollars an hour, that is not even minimum wage so show a little appreciation for the person that is helping you race your child. There is to kinds of daycare the ones that don't do anything with the children just put them in front of a TV and watch them play, and the ones that prepare daily activities, lesson plans, never have the TV on etc...quality daycare is expensive. So again is your decision what kind of daycare you want for your child and how much are you willing to pay for it. I charge by month so I charge for 48 weeks a year instead of the 52 weeks everybody charges so there is my 2 week vacation time and Holidays that I consider I well deserved for my hard work. Any of the parents in my DC complains and they all tell me to have a nice vacation all the time other wise (since I have a waiting list) they would not be in my daycare.
|
#127
|
|||
|
|||
daycare fees
can some one tell me why daycares are allowed to charge fees even when they decided to close the center? on stat holidays as well?
|
#128
|
||||
|
||||
OK SERIOUSLY???? Read The above^^^ 400 replies to same same original question.
|
#129
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
|
#130
|
||||
|
||||
I couldn't have said it better!
Parents need to read, understand, and agree to the contract they are signing. If they do not agree to the paid days off, then find care elsewhere. We work, long hours and need a break just like anyone else to reenergize so we can be the the best providers for the children that we care for! It's that simple! |
#131
|
||||
|
||||
If you put it in your contract and the parent signs it. YES it is legal.
|
#132
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
|
#133
|
||||
|
||||
good point we own a daycare..hint:we make the rules get over it... please read a contract before you sign it!!!
|
#134
|
||||
|
||||
Unfortunatly, (sp?) It is legal. I dont do it that way but most places will have it in writting. The dcs I know of where I live dont discount for bad weather. I think its up tp the individual place to make up there policies.
Debbie |
#135
|
|||
|
|||
Really?
It's easy for you to say that parents whine but funny that the money is not coming out of your pocket...you must a provider!
|
#136
|
||||
|
||||
Yeah, having children is expensive.
__________________
- Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them. |
#137
|
|||
|
|||
Do Day Cares still charge the state for subsidized daycare rates for days when services are not rendered due to inclement weather or holidays?
|
#138
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
Our state does NOT pay for closures for the provider vacation or parent vacations or for bad weather closures. Even if ALL the other parents have to pay. In that case, we have to directly bill the family since the state doesn't cover it. The only other option is to not to charge ANY family for any closures. |
#139
|
|||
|
|||
Daddy day care
Blah, blah, blah. You get vacation pay why shouldn't we, yes but the other people don't pay for it the company does. Please, all I know is that it's another way they got you/they got us by the b-lls. At $13,000 a year for my kid, let see total of 27 kids mostly from welfare families (many places) I pay cash, and they walk away with $351,000 a year. Really? You think I should pay for your vacation still? 2-teachers making what $40,000 at total max $80,000 leaving $271,000 for daycare. Really? Owners should learn to eat some of costs. I've learned that I'm in the wrong business.
|
#140
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
|
#141
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
OP: This is just yet another situation where parents want to crap on their providers. Is it legal for your job to pay you for time you DON'T WORK? Oh, wait, it is isn't it? It's called a benefit. Us providers don't get paid benefits, but sheesh, we should get some sort of acknowledgment for the work we do. This job is so thankless. The kids are the only ones who even make a difference in our lives, and maybe the one or two parents that come and go that are decent. This is why I quit too! People are ungrateful especially when it comes to the care of their children which boggles my mind. A child should come FIRST, not last. If your child is sick or you don't have to work Christmas, how is that OUR fault? Why should WE sacrifice even MORE time with OUR families so you don't have to pay us? Why should WE be forced to work a day YOUR OWN employer gives you off? And if on the off chance that they don't, why do we HAVE to work? Why is it okay for YOU to get paid for sick time, vacation time, personal time, Holiday pay for NOT doing a job, but the same isn't okay for providers? You're not working, right? why should your employers offer to pay you? The COMPANY consists of OTHER PEOPLE!! It's like dumb is everywhere these days. It goes BOTH ways, so why should providers be screwed over? In-Home providers make NOTHING. Seriously, look at my taxes for 10 years, I made NOTHING. Your (general) kids should be much more important than MONEY! SHAME SHAME! |
#142
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
LOL This is the PERFECT analogy, THANK YOU! |
#143
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
you have it COMPLETLEY backwards. As a business owner I can set up my Daycare as I please. I attract clients that read and AGREE to my contract and we are all very happy about it. |
#144
|
|||
|
|||
How are daycares closed due to bad weather? When I work at daycare the weather was bad elementary schools would be closed. So parents would scramble to send there elementary kids to daycare. So when had to be open! They did get charged extra, however parents knew that/this in advance.
|
#145
|
||||
|
||||
|
#146
|
|||
|
|||
Hourly wage
Please consider that only teachers get paid holidays not worked!!! The rest of us that have to clock in get paid by the hour, and with the economy the way it is most employers work a skeleton crew and you get sent home without pay, if teachers got paid like this life would be fair!!!
|
#147
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
|
#148
|
|||
|
|||
Why should you get paid for holiday and not us?????????
|
#149
|
||||
|
||||
Wow, this thread should be locked. If people actually took the time to read the 3 pages of posts all their questions would be answered.
|
#150
|
|||
|
|||
As parents we do not employ daycare workers. Daycare centers employ daycare workers. Parents are paying customers and the daycare provides a service. Having said that, the business should be conducted as such. Just as in any other business, if you don't render a service, you don't get paid.
|
#151
|
|||
|
|||
paid time off
Quote:
There are hundreds of child cares out there. Bottom line is that if you don't want to pay for the provider's vacation time or off days, then find one who doesn't ask you to. But if you have one who asks you too and you sign it....stop complaining about it!!!!! |
#152
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Costco is another example. Members pay the same flat monthly fee to be able to shop in their store and the fee is not prorated when they have to close for holidays. |
#153
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
|
#154
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
|
#155
|
|||
|
|||
Think about it
Think about everything needed to take care of up to 10 kids a day. You need to think about toys/books, projects/activities, food, naps, everything needed to clean and organize.
Some people are lucky enough to have the money to start a daycare outside their home, but for those of us who are doing it to stay at home with our families and because we enjoy kids, we are sharing our home/business in one space. It also means all of our furniture is getting used more than before. Most Daycares aren't able to fill all their spots, so we depend the income of our contracted families. So when you decide to take a day off, we still need to get paid because that is our only income. However, I don't believe in charging for major holidays like memorial day, labor day, thanksgiving, and christmas because these are days that we are most likely not caring for children and not all parents get holidays off. Plus I wouldn't charge for a holiday that falls on a day the child wouldn't normally be here. I don't believe in charging for vacations I take either or if I have to take a sick day. Most of us are giving 10-12 hrs day to care for children, which what your paying may seem like a lot, but after all the costs of supplies and taxes, it's not as much as you think. I have used several daycares in the past, most of which didn't charge for holidays either, and until I started my own I didn't realize what the providers do on a daily basis. Granted, it is rewarding working with kids, but you also have to think about the fact that not all kids are angels either. So before you get upset about prices, holidays, and ect... think about how much work the provider does and the lack of breaks. |
#156
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Last edited by Babybear911; 06-21-2012 at 02:14 PM. Reason: Typos |
#157
|
|||
|
|||
M
Quote:
You are a piece of work. Some people work holidays and don't get paid any special pay. It's a capital expense that should be taken out of the conpany's resources not the moms that pay holidays and then have to turn around and double pay another sitter while they have to work holidays. I don't even understand the point of holidays, in healthcare I have to work every holiday so what makes day care so special that they automatically get the day off? Kids still need to be looked after, some times I think business owners and day care workers whine more than the kids do. |
#158
|
||||
|
||||
New families interested in enrollment in my program have to go through a 3 Step Interview. The first interview is for parents only. It's after day care hours and can last anywhere from 2-3 hours. I have a guideline I use to make sure and discuss EVERY rule including fees and I make sure and give scenerios to help them fully understand. They are given a list of all paid/closed holidays and vacations, a short resume with references, an example of a monthly calendar, and an outline of the yearly themed curriculum I use. (Contracts and Policies are not even brought out at this time).
The second part of the interview is for the parents and the child during day care hours. It's for just relaxing and getting to know each other to see if we are a fit. The third part of the interview is when we both have decided that enrollement is a good idea. Again the third interview is for parents only (I don't want any distractions). We sit down together and go over and sign Contracts and Policies. This process gives parents plenty of time to think about everthing that they have seen and heard and decide if they agree with and will abide by all of the rules. I always remind parents that if they don't agree for any reason, then they should walk away, otherwise it will affect our relationship and they won't be here long. It's important to make sure all information is given upfront so problems later on are less likely to happen. So, however you decide to run your business is up to you. You set your fees, your hours, your time off etc....all providers are different. Parents can choose what works best for them. But, parents don't have to the right to change rules when it suits them just because they want a particular provider to care for their child or because the other providers they had to choose from didn't measure up. (Parent's want the choice of: "Hey I pick you because your the best, but I don't really like or agree with all your rules. Oh, but I'm coming here for sure. So, I'll just be your worst nightmare for as long as you allow it....you see, I'm selfish like that"). Bottom line is this...My House (or Day Care) My Rules! I tell parents that I am the boss of my day care and that they are the boss of their child. As the boss of my day care, I make the rules and will not change them to suit parents..as the boss of their child, if they don't like the rules, they get to decide whether to stay or go, but they don't get to tell me what to do. |
#159
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
My daughter is a teacher and her salary is for the days worked, not breaks such as Summer. They can choose to receive a paycheck only when working or spread it out over the whole calendar year, which makes each paycheck smaller but gives income all year long. |
#160
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
|
#161
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
|
#162
|
||||
|
||||
I suggest that whoever believes this should NEVER take any sick time paid, NEVER take holiday pay for days they don't work, and NEVER take a paid vacation at work.
How about you give the same courtesies your employer gives you at your job to the person who takes care of your IRREPLACEABLE child? If it's okay for YOU to accept money for time you don't work, then yes, it should be acceptable for you to pay your daycare provider for holidays and any time your child misses because YOU chose not to bring him/her. Children should be first priority and not put second. If you want great care, sometimes you have to pay for it. IF you don't like it, go somewhere else! |
#163
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Also think about phone companies, internet providers, gym memberships etc. You pay a flat service whether or not you use these. If you go on vacation do you call and tell your phone company not to charge you because you were only home 3 weeks out of 4? Do you ask your internet provider to prorate you for the days you don't actually use the internet? Would you ask your gym for a refund if you only went to the gym 4 days out of 31? The beauty about this business is that we, as child care providers, is that we can run our businesses in a way that works best for us and you, as a parent, can choose a childcare provider based on whether you agree with their policies or not. If you don't like it you can simply not sign up with that provider. No need turn to violent communication like name calling to express your opinions. I hope to goodness that your children (if any) are being watched for by your family or a close friend. Otherwise I feel very bad for your child care provider. |
#164
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
|
#165
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
|
#166
|
|||
|
|||
You guys have taken this away from the original question. The question is holidays and the daycare CHOOSING to be closed those days. I don't get paid holidays so that point is nul and void. Not everyone gets them. What makes daycare so special that you get them? So I am now out the money for daycare and I am forced to not work which I am now also out that money. If my store closes due to in-climate weather I do not get paid. I can understand why daycare does for this reason though as it is noones fault that you were forced to close. However your CHOICE to be closed on a holiday is just that your CHOICE not to render a service causing me to have to not work and not get paid. I still have ALL the same bills while the daycare does not yet they still get paid. You are all taking this point and saying that why shouldn't I get a paid holiday when everyone else does? That is such a false statement it pisses me off. I don't know ANYONE that gets paid for 2 days on thanksgiving, 3 days on xmas and 2 days for new years! NO ONE! Teachers are the exception as they get all kinds of holidays off but I would be willing to bet that the higher majority of working americans DO NOT get that many paid holidays and you are putting a terrible hardship on the parents when you are closed forcing them to either double pay for child care or miss work all together. My gripe is only about the holiday part.
I know if I miss a day of work i don't get paid. Why do you? If you want xmas paid fine. If you want thanksgiving paid fine. But WHY THE DAYS AFTER?? Also my daycare goes one step higher to really screw over parents. If the holiday happens to fall on sat they close on friday, If it falls on sun they close MON!!! HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE!!! |
#167
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
That's not why people choose me for their provider-I have an awesome reputation, but I have had parents tell me that they do appreciate the fact that they don't HAVE to pay when their child isn't here. (sometimes they pay anyhow-but it's voluntary.) Having said that, if a parent signs a contract agreeing to pay for holidays and days the center is closed then they should pay up and stop complaining. They agreed to it when they signed the contract. |
#168
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Providers do not have policies and paid holidays in order to screw over the parents nor do they sit around thinking about how they can "really screw over parents." |
#169
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
All but 1 family will have the day after Veterans day off-November 12. The actual holiday is Sunday November 11 but it will be observed on MONDAY November 12. Oh, did I mention they will all be paid for it- |
#170
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Daycares are privately owned businesses. They are free to set or make any policy/rule they would like. You are also free to make a choice. You can choose to use whatever daycare you wish to use. No one forces you to sign or agree to anything. If you don't like having to pay for a providers holidays or days off, then find one that doesn't charge for those things. It REALLY is that simple. |
#171
|
|||
|
|||
Because our employer pays us
Daycare employees should get paid for holiday leave....by their boss, by the owner. I pay the owner, the owner pays his/her empoyees. I wouldnt pay for a pair of pants that wasnt available and that i wasnt receiving. If you want parents to pay you on federal holidays then offer a service to be paid for. I'm tired of hearing about "we have bills". yes and as a businiess that sells daycare you should be paid for providing daycare, not for not providing daycare. That's ridiculous. Why are you entitled to my money that i work for when you arent working?
|
#172
|
||||
|
||||
I understand the parent's complaints about having to pay for child care when they are not using it, really I do. However, I also understand the providers' side of this.
As a provider who DOES charge for holidays, as well as a week of vacation and four floating holidays of my choice, I must say that in 16 years I have never been questioned about it. Here is why: I provide a very high quality program, spending a significant amount of my "income" on my program, (MUCH more than I do on myself or family) I work 12+ hours per day (up at 5:00, working in the playroom preparing for the days activities and cleaning the restrooms, mopping floors, etc. by 5:30, open doors at 7:00-sometimes earlier if needed - for FREE- work until 5:30-6:00-sometimes later if needed-for free - then clean up and shut down until 6:30-7:00) I don't get paid overtime. I NEVER take a sick day, (really, 3 in 16 years and those were major emergencies) I provde mildly ill child care - so if your child has a virus that most providers would require her to stay home for AND charge you for it, they can stay with me so you don't miss work (this is provided in another area, away from well children) I offer alot of "extras" for my families, such as I do not charge late fees if a parent calls and says they are running a little late to pick up (who works late without getting paid for it? Providers do) open early if needed, plan weekend outings with families that I pay for, etc. I charge less than the average rate for my area and do not charge more for infants just because they are infants. I spend upwards of 600+ hours per year participating in training and school so that I can be the BEST provider for your children....time taken away from my own family and money as well, because no one else pays for my education. Many of my Saturdays and Sundays (two weekends per month) I am in school from 9-5 I am very active in the child care community, advocate for parents and children and provide resources for my families that they otherwise would not know about. I am SUPER dependable.....my parents KNOW that if they are scheduled to be here, I will, without fail, be here and be READY for their children. I could go on and on and on.....but my point is MANY (and I dare say most here) do all of the same things I do, and we do it with a SMILE, because we love your children and we love our work. All we ask for in return is a little respect, a timely "paycheck" and a few measley holidays off to spend with our own families. I am very privileged to have the families I have. They VALUE having me as their provider, and the HAPPILY pay me for extra days off AND give me GREAT Holiday Bonuses as well! If they treated me with the disdain that some of the parents here have expressed, well, they'd be losing out on a great thing, because I would absolutley REFUSE to work with a parent who did not value my work with their children enough to pay for a few holiday closures. |
#173
|
||||
|
||||
Crystal very well said
I have my prices built into the days off. I have a flat monthly fee. There is no discount for these days, unless you want to pay me more money out of pocket each month, I take away all of your paid days off and I charge you a flat weekly rate instead. MV- also another great way to look at it.. I tell families when they interview that it's much like paying to rent a home. The landlord does not discount your rent if you decide to go on vacation for a few days, the rent is due in full if you were in your home one day or 30 days. If you want to have your home to come back to when you are gone, you need to secure it with on time payments. I really don't see why any one would argue this?? Really is having a few paid days off a year so bad to give to the people who take care of your pride and JOY?? It's not like I'm watching your gold fish......................... Last edited by daycare; 11-15-2012 at 02:49 PM. |
#174
|
||||
|
||||
|
#175
|
||||
|
||||
|
#176
|
||||
|
||||
I'm always reminded of this whenever this thread pops up again....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz6OGVCdov8 |
#177
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
1. We charge for those days as paid holidays 2. We close "unpaid" but average out the cost of those days over the other days to increase the daily rate when we are open. Either way over the course of a year you would have paid the same amount. If you don't like it - don't sign a contract agreeing to it. Choose somewhere else. No-one is forcing you to do something you don't want to do. A pair of pants is a retail not service industry example. We provide a service based upon a yearly or monthly service not daily contract that is why holidays are included - like a gym membership. If you want daily service so you don't have to pay for holidays be prepared to pay the higher daily rate... Which is really version 2 of the above example. |
#178
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Are you in a job with holiday/vacation pay? Why should your boss pay you, when you aren't working? Same concept as us. Any job that has holiday pay has a boss that is paying workers to have the day off. Its really not unheard of or a new concept in the working industry. |
#179
|
||||
|
||||
First...I think providers should STOP trying to reason with people who do not agree that we should charge for holidays or vacation time.
If parents do not want to pay the person who cares for their child for holidays/vacation time when daycare closed then they don't have to. There are plenty of providers out there that don't charge for those things. I also am having issue with providers who are using the "Well my parents get paid vacation time or paid holidays, then so should I/we" explanation. Yeah, well Billy got a cupcake and I didn't ....same thing!!! Using that logic to defend your policies is not at all professional IMPO. Honestly...who care who gets paid what and when....NOT our business any more than it is the parents business as to why we have the policies we have. Bottom line is find a provider who has policies you can abide by and policies that work for you, your child and your family. If you spend any amount of time on this board you can see there are hundreds of providers here who ALL do things differently than the others. FIND ONE WHO WORKS FOR YOU AND STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT FAIRNESS!!!! LIFE IS NOT FAIR....DON'T SIGN ON WITH A PROGRAM YOU DON'T AGREE WITH!!! It really is that simple!!
|
#180
|
||||
|
||||
Good grief...some parents never fail to amaze me with their cheapness.
They want the best car they can afford. They want the best house they can afford. They want the biggest, best TV they can afford. Then...they want the cheapest day care they can possibly find. They expect great care for a cheap price. They expect "special" treatment of their little angel. They expect their provider to be up at dawn and to be cheerful all day. Day and in and day out. She is to be kind and courteous. She is to be happy and gentle. She is expected to put up with lateness, rudeness, and being taken for granted by her clients. And she is to do all this without a paid break? She is never to burn out? Never get tired? Never take a break she can actually afford? She is to be available constantly? These parents whine and moan about giving the person who loves and cares for their child even one day's paid leave. Yet they pay their gym membership each month, whether they use it daily or not. They pay their cable bill, whether they watch TV daily or not. They pay their mortgage or rent even though they aren't in the home 24/7. They pay their car payment even if they don't drive it. They pay their internet bill even if they don't turn on the computer once during the whole month. They do it willingly for those things....but not for the person they should have the most gratitude and respect for. The one taking care of their child. The one who has the ENORMOUS responsibility of caring for that child for more hours than the parent does. The one who is shaping their child and teaching them life skills. The one who feeds them well and hugs and loves them. Yet she doesn't deserve a paid day off? These same parents will tip their hair stylist, tip their waiter, tip their mail carrier etc etc.....yet feel their day care provider doesn't deserve diddly. These same parents would be upset if their own boss made snide comments about giving them a few paid holidays....and did his best to make them feel guilty for having any time off at all. I do this job because I love children and I love being home with my own family. I SOOOO wish I could do it without some of the parents. I am lucky enough to have some wonderful clients. I take some paid time off and some unpaid too. I have clients who INSIST on paying me for the unpaid ones too because they want me to know how much they appreciate me. Then there's the others who feel I should be open Christmas Day if they want me to be and I'm such a burden to them because they have to pay for that day. Makes me sad there are so many ungrateful people in the world. |
#181
|
|||
|
|||
Agreed!!!!
Quote:
|
#182
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Ha! Since when does the public get to tell a business what hours they should be open/provide service?? No way would I be letting clients tell me what hours I should be open. Plus, if they want to change their contracted hours (whether for a week or permanently) then they ask if it is OK and if I have the resources to do so. Granted, this isn't to say I don't do what I can as far as scheduling with the parents, but I would not have a daycare family as a client that EXPECTED me to accommodate their schedule or all their whims.
__________________
daymommy to 7 kiddos - 5 girls and 2 boys |
#183
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
|
#184
|
|||
|
|||
Give me a break...
Quote:
|
#185
|
|||
|
|||
Concerned Mother
I am very disappointed at all of you. post a link on here that shows its legal for daycares to do this to parents and we will shut up. While you are all complaining about parents what about parents like me working three jobs trying to keep my home, make sure my child has food on the table, and then the days your closed for I have to waste my time and money looking for someone to care for my child or taking time off which means I loose money...you negative nillies dont care about that. Yeah we want to make sure our kids have good care. but you are all strangers to us so take care of our kids and quit your whining or find another profession. not everyone has the luxury of going back to school to become a jerk like you.
|
#186
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
1. Show me it's illegal for provider's to charge for their holiday time. 2. Some provider's are struggling just like you are. If you don't like paying your provider for her time off find another provider that doesn't charge for her holidays. |
#187
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
|
#188
|
||||
|
||||
|
#189
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
|
#190
|
||||
|
||||
One would assume that most parents would be smart enough to understand.
Your daycare provider is NOT YOUR EMPLOYEE. SHE decides when to open, what to charge etc. It's HER business. If you don't like it, why on earth did you sign the contract???????? There ARE drop in places out there. You CAN pay daily if you wish. Oh, you like your provider and she's good to your child???? THEN PAY HER! |
#191
|
||||
|
||||
Someone started singing it not knowing what it was....
|
#192
|
||||
|
||||
And they'll continue singing it forever just because...
Seriously the poster who brought this thread up again sounds like a troll to me. |
#193
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
I fully agree....... I run my own day care and I charge for all stat holidays ..... for it would be like you not getting paid for your vacation which is added into you weekly pay.... or your boss closing for a month days and not paying you.... or say your boss say you need to come to work on the sat / sun when you normally do not and then says you are not being paid for those days..... what a lot of people forget is that all their extra pay ( vacation, sick, maternity, holiday, etc are added into their weekly pay... they are also entitled to sub or some for of pay while off work .... as for a lot of private daycares do not have that option ..... as well if a person works on the stat holiday they get paid time in half ..... I would really like to see or hear of a boss telling their employer that they need to work but will not get paid, or a supplier go to a company and say you need to take this product and sell it but you get nothing for it or how about a boss saying that you do not get to have any breaks or lunch and you need to work 12 hours strait and your only making $30 a day when most people are making $80 a day or more plus their vacation, stat holidays, retirment etc..... it does not and will not happen.... so why should you get paid for you staying home on holidays, vacation, maternity etc and the daycare providers do not..... I have had clients when I first started drop their children off at 6:00am and not pick up til 6:00pm on a holiday..... ( dad would sleep all day, mom would go shopping, pay bills, get hair & nails done massage, cook dinner, clean house etc) then come and complain that its way to hard to do any stuff when their child is with them ...... so because I was being taken advantage of from soooo many clients I added the stat holidays in my contract...... for why do I need to care for you child on any stat holiday while you get to do as you please and get paid.... are you willing to care for my child 5 days a week for me to show up when ever and not want to pay for late fees or holidays just so I can go shopping, get hair & nails , cook dinner, clean my house, etc..... I dont think so..... sorry for the rant .... but tired of people taking advantage of the hard working loving caring dedicated professional daycare providers........ |
#194
|
|||
|
|||
I run my own day care and I charge for all stat holidays ..... for it would be like you not getting paid for your vacation which is added into you weekly pay.... or your boss closing for a month days and not paying you.... or say your boss say you need to come to work on the sat / sun when you normally do not and then says you are not being paid for those days..... what a lot of people forget is that all their extra pay ( vacation, sick, maternity, holiday, etc are added into their weekly pay... they are also entitled to sub or some for of pay while off work .... as for a lot of private daycares do not have that option ..... as well if a person works on the stat holiday they get paid time in half ..... I would really like to see or hear of a boss telling their employer that they need to work but will not get paid, or a supplier go to a company and say you need to take this product and sell it but you get nothing for it or how about a boss saying that you do not get to have any breaks or lunch and you need to work 12 hours strait and your only making $30 a day when most people are making $80 a day or more plus their vacation, stat holidays, retirment etc..... it does not and will not happen.... so why should you get paid for you staying home on holidays, vacation, maternity etc and the daycare providers do not..... I have had clients when I first started drop their children off at 6:00am and not pick up til 6:00pm on a holiday..... ( dad would sleep all day, mom would go shopping, pay bills, get hair & nails done massage, cook dinner, clean house etc) then come and complain that its way to hard to do any stuff when their child is with them ...... so because I was being taken advantage of from soooo many clients I added the stat holidays in my contract...... for why do I need to care for you child on any stat holiday while you get to do as you please and get paid.... are you willing to care for my child 5 days a week for me to show up when ever and not want to pay for late fees or holidays just so I can go shopping, get hair & nails , cook dinner, clean my house, etc..... I dont think so..... sorry for the rant .... but tired of people taking advantage of the hard working loving caring dedicated professional daycare providers........
|
#195
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
100% agree very well said....... |
#196
|
||||
|
||||
Cheers to that!
Quote:
|
#197
|
|||
|
|||
Parents... please know child cares, centers, nannies....we are our own small businesses... we set the terms & conditions clearly in our contracts, IF you signed the contract... you've agreed. (there is no policing agency...right or wrong way... on our contractual terms)
Whether it be, paying for slot in location, days off paid vs. non-paid, Provider closed for do I pay.... Federal Holiday, blah, blah, blah.... DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU SIGN A CONTRACT, MOST PROVIDERS HAVE VARYING TERMS WE COME UP WITH BECAUSE OF OUR OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCES (some locations will be flexible on the terms but if so get it in writing). I'm sorry to say, most Parents do NOT do comparison shopping of terms n conditions... then you feel something is unfair. |
#198
|
|||
|
|||
Self Employment
Many people who own businesses do not have the luxuries of holidays. Sometimes it is the cost of being self-employed. If you are paying for daycare full-time and you are splitting the yearly up into a weekly cost, then maybe. However, for part-time/half-day you are paying for specific days and times. Many parents, including myself, also do not get holidays off. On those days we must find alternatives and pay double, both for daycare(that is unavailable) and a babysitter. Let's not forget daycare is already a mortgage payment for one child. Collect your holiday pay from the state paid fees and not the parents who can barely afford daycare but "make to much money." A 1 child and 1 parent family only making $36k/year gets zero help to pay for daycare in Wisconsin. Having to pay double, when you having nothing left over after bills is quite difficult. Especially when that comes a few days in a short period, when you are hurting the most for money(Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve/Day and New Years Eve/Day).
|
#199
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
I couldn't care less what other small business owners do. I do what works for ME and MY family. YOU do what works for YOU and your family and if paying for days your child doesn't attend care or weeks your provider is on vacation doesnt work for you, then find a provider who only charges for the time you used. It really is that simple. |
#200
|
|||
|
|||
Quick math lesson: $36k/yrs = aprox. $1600/month take home. 1600 - $600 for daycare - $600 for small apt = $400 for utilities, gas, food, car insurance and all other fine things. You also get no help from the state vs the person at $34k. We setup fundraisers for families that are in that no man's land to help with daycare needs. We also have a non-profit daycare setup that also has reduced rates vs others. Also medium sized daycares that have 20 full-time kids at $600 a head(not counting part-time), not really in the $36k range. As for what's good for whom, I've seen an entire daycare of parents pull their kids and not pay due to poor customer service. Don't see that necessarily good for anyone, more so for the owner of course. I am thankful we have a great daycare that helps raise our children with proper attitudes in life, with everybody helping everybody rather that you do what's good for you and I'll do what's good for me. That would be worth pulling my kid out of a daycare for, not if they charge for holidays or not.
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Holidays Question/Advice- Contract Wording | Lyss | Daycare Center and Family Home Forum | 4 | 06-27-2012 12:41 PM |
My Holidays Don’t Work For A DC Family | mrsp'slilpeeps | Daycare Center and Family Home Forum | 24 | 05-02-2012 09:24 AM |
Celebrating Holidays.... | Abigail | Daycare Center and Family Home Forum | 7 | 01-27-2011 07:35 AM |
Part Time Care and Paid Holidays? | newtodaycare22 | Daycare Center and Family Home Forum | 5 | 11-01-2010 06:21 AM |
Need Letter For Christmas Holidays | countrymom | Daycare Center and Family Home Forum | 7 | 10-29-2010 10:42 AM |