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View Poll Results: First Debate - Who Will You Vote For President?
Obama 39 45.35%
Romney 38 44.19%
Other 5 5.81%
Undecided 4 4.65%
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Default A Political Poll - Just For Fun

I try to keep this forum free from advertisement and politics. Since today is the 1st Presidential Debate, being held in Colorado, I thought it would be fun to see where our daycare members are in their preferences.

The poll does not disclose who made a vote but it does not allow for more than one vote per member. I may do this after each one of the three debates depending on the civility of the comments.

I wonder if the debates will change the numbers over the next 4 weeks? I am not giving away my political party. I am a multiple business owner, songwriter, artist and father and have voted for both parties over the years.
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There's not an option for "other" Debates aside, there are always more than two candidates.
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I agree but wanted this to reflect tonight's debate. I included "other"
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If I were American I would vote Obama. I was raised Mormon and don't care for how the religion will effect Romney as president. Among other issues. I want to err conservative fiscally but nothing else about the platform appeals to me.
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I cannot vote. maybe one day I can.....

but if I were to be able to I would vote for Obama!!!!
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Interesting that our poll reflects other national polls being close. I thought since other polls show woman leaning more for Obama that here on Daycare.com there would be more votes for the President. Its only been a few minutes. Should be interesting to see where it ends up.

BTW, for those that have an opinion, on why they would vote for a candidate, it would be great if you commented on the WHY. Maybe those that want to comment can log off. I know.....its politics. Touchy topic for many.
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Interesting that our poll reflects other national polls being close. I thought since other polls show woman leaning more for Obama that here on Daycare.com there would be more votes for the President. Its only been a few minutes. Should be interesting to see where it ends up.

BTW, for those that have an opinion, on why they would vote for a candidate, it would be great if you commented on the WHY. Maybe those that want to comment can log off. I know.....its politics. Touchy topic for many.
id rather eat a cow............lol
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I know way more about the politics this go around because my 17 year old son is taking AP governmment and is taping the politicial shows so he can take notes when he watches them.

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BTW, for those that have an opinion, on why they would vote for a candidate, it would be great if you commented on the WHY. Maybe those that want to comment can log off. I know.....its politics. Touchy topic for many.
Challenge accepted.

I cannot vote for Romney. I disagree with his views on Planned Parenthood (flip flops when it suits him), making it a right to have homeowners insurance (as opposed to a responsibility), cutting corporate taxes, Gay Rights, the wiretapping churches of other religions debacle was hilarious and frankly he just rubs me the wrong way. Ha!!

I admit, I did laugh when he made the 47% comment, because I think many have felt that way at one point or another while standing in line at any given Walmart, but to include the stats for seniors, military and the disabled population in that description was off base and harmful.

I can't tell you how many times Romney has won the title "Chump of the Week" on Women are Watching.
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id rather eat a cow............lol
I see whatcha did there.....
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No question Romney. Obama has done absolutely nothing for me in his years in office. I am so much worse off than I was when he came in.
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I vote with my uterus. Definitely not Romney.
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Challenge accepted.

I cannot vote for Romney. I disagree with his views on Planned Parenthood (flip flops when it suits him), making it a right to have homeowners insurance (as opposed to a responsibility), cutting corporate taxes, Gay Rights, the wiretapping churches of other religions debacle was hilarious and frankly he just rubs me the wrong way. Ha!!

I admit, I did laugh when he made the 47% comment, because I think many have felt that way at one point or another while standing in line at any given Walmart, but to include the stats for seniors, military and the disabled population in that description was off base and harmful.

I can't tell you how many times Romney has won the title "Chump of the Week" on Women are Watching.
I agree!
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I am a Libertarian. I try to stay incredibly open minded.

The very first thing Obama did in office was rescinded the Mexico City Policy.

Our country is floundering yet he's going to give the yay to take federal tax dollars and funnel them to other countries to use for birth control and abortions.....as his very. first. act as president....as if there is nothing more pressing to be focusing on right out the shoots when you've got a whole lot of people on board just steeped in hope.

There are people HERE that don't have access to regular health care that'll help to keep them ALIVE. Why didn't he think that was more important???


He lost me there.




The left doesn't like when he's called a socialist, yet everything he does is the very definition.

I used to be a fan of Romney but he's come across as an extremist, out of touch moron his entire campaign. That's been very disappointing. Still I will vote for him because Obama promised if he didn't deliver on everything he promised he'd be a one term president. I am saddened to see that once again he is not a man of his word.

I'd love to vote third party but Obama needs to be ousted, and I'm not about to throw away my vote on principal.


Much of what voters don't like about Romney are issues that are controlled on a local/state level. He may become the president but his personal views on most things will not impact the way this country is run unless the masses also agree with him.
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Our country is floundering yet he's going to give the yay to take federal tax dollars and funnel them to other countries to use for birth control and abortions.....as his very. first. act as president....as if there is nothing more pressing to be focusing on right out the shoots when you've got a whole lot of people on board just steeped in hope.
Bingo!!!



The left doesn't like when he's called a socialist, yet everything he does is the very definition. Bingo again.

I used to be a fan of Romney but he's come across as an extremist, out of touch moron his entire campaign. That's been very disappointing. Still I will vote for him because Obama promised if he didn't deliver on everything he promised he'd be a one term president. I am saddened to see that once again he is not a man of his word. Exactly

I'd love to vote third party but Obama needs to be ousted, and I'm not about to throw away my vote on principal. Amen!


Much of what voters don't like about Romney are issues that are controlled on a local/state level. He may become the president but his personal views on most things will not impact the way this country is run unless the masses also agree with him.
This is so true and so many people dont' understand that
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I remember Clinton overturned the Mexico City Policy, too. I was in college and he was viewed as a hero for it. It is a party line thing, IMHO.

It was referred to as the "Global Gag Order" and did not matter if the funds came from federal or private funding. THAT is why it is unconstitutional, IMHO.

Freedom of religion and Freedom from religion would be awesome during the debates. Think there will be any such luck???

I wish we could get rid of the party lines and vote for issues.

Ugh...politics.
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Obama because...

My college age son has health insurance;

I was able to refinance my underwater home;

Because the changes he's made too our student loan program helps make college affordable and ensures our children won't be saddled with life long debt;

Because in my view, family looks like people who love and support each other regardlessf sexual orientation.

Romney...

Wanted to let the auto industry tank;

Wanted to let housing market tank;

Pays less percentage wise in taxes than I do;

When he has a uterus he can talk to me about what to do with mine;

Plus, I can't possibly vote for a man who doesn't understand why airplane widows don't open.
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I guess living in farm country, I can see why they have overturned the mexico city policy. I watch these people work in unstable and undesirable conditions, regardless of the weather. I am grateful for them. Why. Because with out them I would not have the fruit and vegetables that I eat every day all day. I would not have wine, I would not have a house, I would not have a lot of things.....

I remember here in California when the unemployment rate went through the roof, they tried to offer farming jobs to america people and would give them benefits too. NO one applied.........

Could you imagination if they had to hire only Americans for farming jobs? Seasonal jobs? One apple would cost me $4.00 or more.

I am really not too excited about either of the candidates, but because I don't get to vote I guess I really should not be allowed to complain either....lol
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Obama because...

My college age son has health insurance;

I'm a grown woman and until July of this year I hadn't had college since I was under my parents at 18. IMO it has nothing to do with who's in office. Not to mention, forcing people to get health insurance under threat of being financially penalized is NOT the way to fix this.

I was able to refinance my underwater home;

I lost mine under Obama's presidency. The ability to refinance or not has nothing to do with who's in office.

Because the changes he's made too our student loan program helps make college affordable and ensures our children won't be saddled with life long debt;

Funny, I was told my student loans could be deferred for a time when I moved to help me get back on my feet, then the government took all of my federal refund to not only recoup the few months I'd had them deferred but a very large chunk of what I still owed before it was even due....so by that logic, Obama should also take credit for that?

Because in my view, family looks like people who love and support each other regardlessf sexual orientation.

One person in office cannot determine who is allowed to be determined a couple or family based on sexual orientation. Why people are giving anyone credit or criticism to any one president for the way things currently are or will be is ridiculous

Romney...

Wanted to let the auto industry tank;

Did he really? And did they actually?

Wanted to let housing market tank;

Again, did he really? And did it actually?

Pays less percentage wise in taxes than I do;

But do you also contribute to the economy what he does? I know I don't....

When he has a uterus he can talk to me about what to do with mine;

He has a personal and religious belief about that, and in this country he has every right to....just like everyone does. That doesn't mean he, Obama, or anyone else is going to be able to tell any woman what to do with hers. The president of the United States may have a lot of power, but the power of the people have much MUCH more and that's all that matters when it comes to any social matter.

Plus, I can't possibly vote for a man who doesn't understand why airplane widows don't open.
Because you never had a brain fart in your life?

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Daycare, why don't you get to vote?
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Since there won't be an option for none of the above or Do over on the ballot, I'll vote for Obama.

Romney scares me. I actively worked for Women's Rights in the 70's. I thought it was settled. I really don't want to have to fight the fight for my granddaughters too.

I think it takes more than 4 years to correct (conservatively) 8 years of errors.

What it boils down to is that I'm voting against Republicans more than for or against one man.
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I guess living in farm country, I can see why they have overturned the mexico city policy. I watch these people work in unstable and undesirable conditions, regardless of the weather. I am grateful for them. Why. Because with out them I would not have the fruit and vegetables that I eat every day all day. I would not have wine, I would not have a house, I would not have a lot of things.....

I remember here in California when the unemployment rate went through the roof, they tried to offer farming jobs to america people and would give them benefits too. NO one applied.........

Could you imagination if they had to hire only Americans for farming jobs? Seasonal jobs? One apple would cost me $4.00 or more.

I am really not too excited about either of the candidates, but because I don't get to vote I guess I really should not be allowed to complain either....lol

The Mexico City Policy has nothing to do with Mexico, Mexico City, imports, immigrants or migrant workers. It is only called the Mexico City Policy because that's where the UN population conference was held when it originated.

It is a policy where basically our taxes fund family planning organizations (think Planned Parenthood for example) which offer free or discounted birth control and abortions in other countries all over the world.

So much for freedom of religion, if I disagreed with abortion based on my religious beliefs tough beans....I'd still have to be paying for them, in other countries, because that's how my federal tax dollars were going to be distributed.

So many people have no idea what it actually is, the name is definitely deceiving.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Policy
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I really don't want to have to fight the fight for my granddaughters too.

Same here.

But I'll include my grandson's in that equation too.


Neither should have to pay for other people to do something they believe is morally wrong. Neither should have to pay for something that goes against their religious beliefs.


There needs to be balance of women's reproductive rights AND a protection of individual religious beliefs.

It is not fair or right to sacrifice one for the other.
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I don't know how to respond the way you did, so I will just number them off...

1. A direct result of the Affordable Care Act (Obama care). I'm not sure how you can say that doesn't have to do with Obama.

"Coverage for Young Adults: Under the Affordable Care Act, young adults under age 26 can stay on their parent’s health insurance plan until age 26 – a change that has already allowed 3.1 million young adults to get health coverage and given their families peace of mind."

2. I don't know your personal housing situation but we were able to refinance under the Making Homes Affordable program. I thank President Obama for that program.

3. Again, I don't know your personal student loan situatin. I do know that under President Obama's student loan overhaul, payments are capped at 10% of income rather than 15; at 20 years unpaid balances are forgiven as opposed to 25 years and 10 years for pubic service employees.

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...tudent-loans/1

4. Yes, he really did say to let the auto industry tank; fortunately he isn't the president so that didn't happen.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/op...mney.html?_r=1

5. Yes, he really suggested that the foclosure process proceed. Fortunately, again, he was not in power.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...cess-video.php

6. I understand that his 13% is bigger than mine. Even Warren Buffet, one of the wealthiest men in the country disagrees with the inequity of tax rates.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/15/news...axes/index.htm

7. I don't want his religious issues in my government. Yes, I know we all have our beliefs and Presidential power is limited. If I agreed with his politics, I might overlook his personal beliefs, but I don't agree with either.

8. The last was more of joke.
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My homeowners taxes are going to pay for religious charter schools my kids are not welcomed to attend.

Anyhoo... Is anyone else annoyed that they keep cutting each other off? The snarky tones are starting to make it feel like a SNL skit. I want to see the women act this one out.

Poor proctor, he looks so frustrated.

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I have a question about the student loans. After 20 years the balance of the loan is forgiven. Who do you think is going to pay for all of those balances? Ummmmm, WE ARE!!! Do you think they just disappear?

As far as the auto industry, I'm not sure I agree with them bailing them out either. Since when does the gov't step in and save a privately owned business?
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I agree it will take longer to fix what the previous president screwed up
i'd like to have a beer with Obama!
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I wouldn't walk across the street to see him.
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Did either one of you vote last time and if you care to answer who did you vote for that time?
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No, we didn't vote last time, nor the time before or the time before that. Lets see I think the one and only time I voted was maybe 1990.
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3. Again, I don't know your personal student loan situatin. I do know that under President Obama's student loan overhaul, payments are capped at 10% of income rather than 15; at 20 years unpaid balances are forgiven as opposed to 25 years and 10 years for pubic service employees.http://content.usatoday.com/communit...tudent-loans/1

4. Yes, he really did say to let the auto industry tank; fortunately he isn't the president so that didn't happen.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/op...mney.html?_r=1

5. Yes, he really suggested that the foclosure process proceed. Fortunately, again, he was not in power.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...cess-video.php

6. I understand that his 13% is bigger than mine. Even Warren Buffet, one of the wealthiest men in the country disagrees with the inequity of tax rates.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/15/news...axes/index.htm

7. I don't want his religious issues in my government. Yes, I know we all have our beliefs and Presidential power is limited. If I agreed with his politics, I might overlook his personal beliefs, but I don't agree with either.

8. The last was more of joke.
Wow, when I graduated from college I paid all my student loans in FULL. I am not THAT old (just turned 40) & had all my loans paid off within 5 years of graduation. Personally I think this is the big problem with our country - wracking up debt like crazy - not being responsible for our debts. Since when is it okay to not pay your bills & who is making up the difference for what isn't paid??
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I have a question about the student loans. After 20 years the balance of the loan is forgiven. Who do you think is going to pay for all of those balances? Ummmmm, WE ARE!!! Do you think they just disappear?

As far as the auto industry, I'm not sure I agree with them bailing them out either. Since when does the gov't step in and save a privately owned business?
I hear what you are saying regarding student loans; there are a couple more considerations. Individuals who obtain college degrees make signifciantly more than those who do not...and those who make more money, pay more taxes. Individuals with college degrees are more likely to have health insurance, and are less likely to burden the economy through the use of government programs.

When our country supports young people in their quest for education, we are investing in ALL of our futures.

As for the auto industry, even Mitt can't make up his mind on that...

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Electio...dustry-bailout
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Wow, when I graduated from college I paid all my student loans in FULL. I am not THAT old (just turned 40) & had all my loans paid off within 5 years of graduation. Personally I think this is the big problem with our country - wracking up debt like crazy - not being responsible for our debts. Since when is it okay to not pay your bills & who is making up the difference for what isn't paid??
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Here are three salient facts about tuition and fees. Over the last 30 years, the average sticker price at public and private American universities has accelerated upward. Since 1981 the list price level of tuition and fees has risen sixfold while the consumer price index has only increased two-and-a-half times. This fact is well-known, and it fuels much of the talk about a crisis in higher education.

http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/01/ris...archibald.html
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I hear what you are saying regarding student loans; there are a couple more considerations. Individuals who obtain college degrees make signifciantly more than those who do not...and those who make more money, pay more taxes. Individuals with college degrees are more likely to have health insurance, and are less likely to burden the economy through the use of government programs.

When our country supports young people in their quest for education, we are investing in ALL of our futures.

As for the auto industry, even Mitt can't make up his mind on that...

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Electio...dustry-bailout
My husband & I both have 4-year-degrees & while we are not poor we have 3 children & my income is not very substantial. We probably get more back than we put into the system simply because we have 3 kids & primarily live on my DH's income (which despite our college degrees still puts us in very low middle class - we would qualify for reduced lunches at my kids' school if we applied but I know there is always someone who is in need more than we are!). I do realize the cost of education has skyrocketed - I want our boys to go to college. But if that means they have to go to comunity college for 2 years I am fine with that. They also will have to get wonderful grades and/or excel at a sport (scholarship, etc). If that does not happen then college may have to go on the backburner because honestly I don't think it is right to enter into something thinking you can get out of paying for it. Simply put - if you can't afford it then don't go. I am all for individuals excelling & being the best they can but education is not free. JMHO!

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See, I'm kind of with the "don't vote" camp. I haven't worked up the courage to do it yet, instead choosing between dumb and dumber most of the time, but my problem is this: at it's heart, I do not agree with the current American political system and therefore, I have a very, very hard time bringing myself to support it by voting. "MY" voice is only "heard" IF I happen to vote for the side that "wins". That solves nothing.

Even voting for someone other than Republican/Democrat, still, to my mind, is contributing to a system that fundamentally is NOT working anymore.

I continue to vote, election after election, because I get sucked into the hype of "It's your civic duty!" but I don't like it. I don't like the system. I think it's broken and inefficient and absolutely not what this country was founded to turn into. But, there's no where for that side of my voice to be heard.
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32 million on food stamps four years ago, 47 million on food stamps now??

Yeah, going with Romney. We can't stay on this path!
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See, I'm kind of with the "don't vote" camp. I haven't worked up the courage to do it yet, instead choosing between dumb and dumber most of the time, but my problem is this: at it's heart, I do not agree with the current American political system and therefore, I have a very, very hard time bringing myself to support it by voting. "MY" voice is only "heard" IF I happen to vote for the side that "wins". That solves nothing.

Even voting for someone other than Republican/Democrat, still, to my mind, is contributing to a system that fundamentally is NOT working anymore.

I continue to vote, election after election, because I get sucked into the hype of "It's your civic duty!" but I don't like it. I don't like the system. I think it's broken and inefficient and absolutely not what this country was founded to turn into. But, there's no where for that side of my voice to be heard.
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1. A direct result of the Affordable Care Act (Obama care). I'm not sure how you can say that doesn't have to do with Obama.

"Coverage for Young Adults: Under the Affordable Care Act, young adults under age 26 can stay on their parent’s health insurance plan until age 26 – a change that has already allowed 3.1 million young adults to get health coverage and given their families peace of mind."


While the idea that it's helping your individual family specifically right now is I'm sure a reassuring one, are you aware of who PPACA is coming at the expense of?


2. I don't know your personal housing situation but we were able to refinance under the Making Homes Affordable program. I thank President Obama for that program.

Making Homes Affordable was as backward as a program could be.

Your family may have been helped temporarily, but my children's children's children are going to be paying back the BILLIONS of dollars needed to bail out those lenders (GMAC, CitiMortgage etc).

And this is exactly the problem with America's economy today. It was spritzing a garden hose on an oil rig fire. It's a fix for today, and only today, and only for a select number of people.....at the expense of millions of people generations down the road.


3. Again, I don't know your personal student loan situatin. I do know that under President Obama's student loan overhaul, payments are capped at 10% of income rather than 15; at 20 years unpaid balances are forgiven as opposed to 25 years and 10 years for pubic service employees.

So who ultimately pays the final bill for all of those unpaid forgiven balances?

And if they're capped and people are paying less on them isn't that going to push more into having their balances forgiven too?




4. Yes, he really did say to let the auto industry tank; fortunately he isn't the president so that didn't happen.

People took a single sentence and and fluffed it up to epic and ridiculous proportions.

Obama did EXACTLY what Romney suggested, and look at what happened.

It is the only economic success Obama has had during his term and it wasn't even his to claim.



5. Yes, he really suggested that the foclosure process proceed. Fortunately, again, he was not in power.

That's not what he said. He suggested we let it run it's course, yes, but only to avoid, once again, adding to our skyrocketing federal deficit and tanking economy.

The program was designed to help 4 million people avoid foreclosure......but do you know how many it actually did?

1.

Last I checked 25% is not a passing grade.


And again, at who's expense did this occur?

It's a program my children's children's children are going to someday still be paying for.

I may have lost my home but at least my kids and theirs aren't going to have to pay for it.


6. I understand that his 13% is bigger than mine.


The above is all that matters.


The reason why many (notice I didn't say all) people don't care to get off their duffs and work to pay for what they have and want is because in this country people that try harder and accomplish more are expected to pick up their slack.

IMHO, people that accomplish more and contribute more deserve some credit for that.


7. I don't want his religious issues in my government.

Agree with you there.

And I already gave one example of how Obamas preferences are treading all over mine.


Thanks for the civil back and forth, I love talking about this kind of stuff
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My husband & I both have 4-year-degrees & while we are not poor we have 3 children & my income is not very substantial. We probably get more back than we put into the system simply because we have 3 kids & primarily live on my DH's income (which despite our college degrees still puts us in very low middle class - we would qualify for reduced lunches at my kids' school if we applied but I know there is always someone who is in need more than we are!). I do realize the cost of education has skyrocketed - I want our boys to go to college. But if that means they have to go to comunity college for 2 years I am fine with that. They also will have to get wonderful grades and/or excel at a sport (scholarship, etc). If that does not happen then college may have to go on the backburner because honestly I don't think it is right to enter into something thinking you can get out of paying for it. Simply put - if you can't afford it then don't go. I am all for individuals excelling & being the best they can but education is not free. JMHO!
Yep, and I respect that. Personally, I want my kids to go to college (actually, I have one in college) and I want them to go when they graduatefrom HS . I want that for them, and I want it for our society. I get that you personally don't contribute to the system at this point, but the fact is, college grads statistically DO pay in more.

"Earning more also means paying more taxes. A College Board report in 2007 claims that a college graduate will pay 134 percent in federal income tax and 80 percent more in federal, state and local taxes than someone who does not graduate high school. This amounts to $60,000 over a lifetime."

"The report titled "The Big Payoff: Educational Attainment and Synthetic Estimates of Work-Life Earnings" (.pdf) reveals that over an adult's working life, high school graduates can expect, on average, to earn $1.2 million; those with a bachelor's degree, $2.1 million; and people with a master's degree, $2.5 million.

Persons with doctoral degrees earn an average of $3.4 million during their working life, while those with professional degrees do best at $4.4 million."
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Poor proctor, he looks so frustrated.

I thought the same thing

I swear I could hear his thoughts when Romney said he liked PBS but planned on cutting funding for it.....pretty sure he lost one right there
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Personally I think this is the big problem with our country - wracking up debt like crazy - not being responsible for our debts. Since when is it okay to not pay your bills & who is making up the difference for what isn't paid??
BAM.

And that is exactly why someone like Romney *might* be able to do the economy some good.


I have a feeling he'd dole out a whole 'lotta "tough love." And that's exactly the lesson the population needs right now. Might be uncomfortable for many for awhile but putting a cap on all of this ridiculous spending that no one is taking responsibility for is the only way we're going to get the heck out of this mess.
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32 million on food stamps four years ago, 47 million on food stamps now??

But this is what Obama calls progress!



And according to the left it's going to take another four years of sinking how much further to fix it?
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Thanks for the civil back and forth, I love talking about this kind of stuff

1. A direct result of the Affordable Care Act (Obama care). I'm not sure how you can say that doesn't have to do with Obama.

"Coverage for Young Adults: Under the Affordable Care Act, young adults under age 26 can stay on their parent’s health insurance plan until age 26 – a change that has already allowed 3.1 million young adults to get health coverage and given their families peace of mind."


While the idea that it's helping your individual family specifically right now is I'm sure a reassuring one, are you aware of who PPACA is coming at the expense of?
\Actually, I wrote a giant-a** paper on health care in this country, I am well educated on this point. Providing, insisting even, that people have insurance is a good investment...and MUCH less expensive than covering the uninsured. People still get healthcare....in the ER and when a simple cold is now pnuemonia and requires hospitalization. People with health insurance seek care earlier and are healthier.

2. I don't know your personal housing situation but we were able to refinance under the Making Homes Affordable program. I thank President Obama for that program.

Making Homes Affordable was as backward as a program could be.

Your family may have been helped temporarily, but my children's children's children are going to be paying back the BILLIONS of dollars needed to bail out those lenders (GMAC, CitiMortgage etc).

And this is exactly the problem with America's economy today. It was spritzing a garden hose on an oil rig fire. It's a fix for today, and only today, and only for a select number of people.....at the expense of millions of people generations down the road.

The banks were bailed out and some of the TARP funds were used to prevent forclosures. Many banks have already paid back their TARP funds.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2009/06/...xits-continue/


3. Again, I don't know your personal student loan situatin. I do know that under President Obama's student loan overhaul, payments are capped at 10% of income rather than 15; at 20 years unpaid balances are forgiven as opposed to 25 years and 10 years for pubic service employees.

So who ultimately pays the final bill for all of those unpaid forgiven balances?

And if they're capped and people are paying less on them isn't that going to push more into having their balances forgiven too?

I addressed this in a couple of other posts but the general deal is that college grads generally earn more and pay in more. Investing in our students is an investment our future.

4. Yes, he really did say to let the auto industry tank; fortunately he isn't the president so that didn't happen.

People took a single sentence and and fluffed it up to epic and ridiculous proportions.

Obama did EXACTLY what Romney suggested, and look at what happened.

It is the only economic success Obama has had during his term and it wasn't even his to claim.

???

5. Yes, he really suggested that the foclosure process proceed. Fortunately, again, he was not in power.

That's not what he said. He suggested we let it run it's course, yes, but only to avoid, once again, adding to our skyrocketing federal deficit and tanking economy.

The program was designed to help 4 million people avoid foreclosure......but do you know how many it actually did?

1I am aware that the program was designed to help many more people than it did


Last I checked 25% is not a passing grade.


And again, at who's expense did this occur?

It's a program my children's children's children are going to someday still be paying for.

I may have lost my home but at least my kids and theirs aren't going to have to pay for it.

6. I understand that his 13% is bigger than mine.


The above is all that matters. Ack! I am not good at this editing thing! I missed the whole bottom of your post. Sorry. As for the above being all that matters. I understand that is your opinion, and I respectfully disagree. It is not all that matters to me.


The reason why many (notice I didn't say all) people don't care to get off their duffs and work to pay for what they have and want is because in this country people that try harder and accomplish more are expected to pick up their slack.

IMHO, people that accomplish more and contribute more deserve some credit for that.

7. I don't want his religious issues in my government.

Agree with you there.

And I already gave one example of how Obamas preferences are treading all over mine.

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I love Romneys commitment to the military! That's so important to my family. Especially since the current cuts are about to devastate my family within the next week or so.
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Obama because...

My college age son has health insurance;

I was able to refinance my underwater home;

Because the changes he's made too our student loan program helps make college affordable and ensures our children won't be saddled with life long debt;

Because in my view, family looks like people who love and support each other regardlessf sexual orientation.

Romney...

Wanted to let the auto industry tank;

Wanted to let housing market tank;

Pays less percentage wise in taxes than I do;

When he has a uterus he can talk to me about what to do with mine;

Plus, I can't possibly vote for a man who doesn't understand why airplane widows don't open.
Love this. Perfectly represents my views. Thank you. (I must have missed the one about the airplane windows ??)
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Quoting Jen:

"Actually, I wrote a giant-a** paper on health care in this country, I am well educated on this point. Providing, insisting even, that people have insurance is a good investment...and MUCH less expensive than covering the uninsured. People still get healthcare....in the ER and when a simple cold is now pnuemonia and requires hospitalization. People with health insurance seek care earlier and are healthier."

I'm not disagreeing with you... I wanted to ask a question since you are more versed on this topic than I am. My husband claims that forcing everyone to have health insurance or else be penalized, will cause employers to stop offering health insurance because they know that people are forced to have it, so they will go out and find it on their own. I don't argue with him, but it seems like he might be missing something here. Your thoughts?
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Why does it feel like a vote between the lesser of two evils sometimes. Still i cannot vote for anyone who does not respect leaders from other countries, such as Israel
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Wow, when I graduated from college I paid all my student loans in FULL. I am not THAT old (just turned 40) & had all my loans paid off within 5 years of graduation. Personally I think this is the big problem with our country - wracking up debt like crazy - not being responsible for our debts. Since when is it okay to not pay your bills & who is making up the difference for what isn't paid??
Exactly, that was my point. So we're adding more debt to our country forgiving people's loans. Sure makes the college kids want to vote for Obama though because they don't understand what it really means. All they hear is they don't have to pay all of their loans back.
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I am thouroughly disappointed with both candidates and would love to vote Republican but they've nominated a terrible person to run.

My vote is not a vote FOR Romney, but a vote AGAINST Obama.
Romney. For lack of better option.
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My husband claims that forcing everyone to have health insurance or else be penalized, will cause employers to stop offering health insurance because they know that people are forced to have it, so they will go out and find it on their own. I don't argue with him, but it seems like he might be missing something here. Your thoughts?
My husbands employer (his parents farm, which employs aprox 100 people) quit offering Insurance as of October 1st. They sent a letter out with everyone's paycheck in the middle of July stating, "Due to rising costs and provisions now in effect as per the Affordable Healthcare Act, we will no longer be offering insurance as of October 1st 2012. Heres a number of someone we recommend you to call for private insurance."

Our insurance had already lapsed several times under the group policy due to rising costs..and our costs went from it being covered by the employer 5 years ago, to us paying almost 200/week by the time it ended. The deductible was 5,000/person and the prescription coverage was AWFUL. For the last 2 years I've been paying out of pocket rather than presenting my insurance as I would never meet the insane deductible anyways...AND if you present insurance the doctors charge more.

Case in point: My kids go for a checkup at a local Dr's office in December. By presenting insurance for my 2 kids for a Strep diagnosis it was 170 per kid. When I went in 2 months later with pneumonia, I asked if I could pay cash, and they charged me $65.00.

Fast forward to Labor day: My sons ear pain was horrid, so I found an urgent care center open. I avoid using urgent care around here because it's terribly expensive. I had to take him. I had no choice. I told the center, can I pay cash today as I do not have insurance (which I didn't as we ended coverage as soon as we knew it wasn't going to be available coming October) and they said sure, that will be $100.00. Now I've been to Mayo Clinics urgent care centers before and the bill was NEVER 100.00! Always 200 + per visit. It is absolutely INSANE how much money it costs to bill through insurance.

So for the folks with high deductibles like we had. Offer to pay cash...in the end you will end up paying FAR less than by presenting insurance.

I am voting for Romney / Ryan. I cannot fathom 4 more years of rising food prices, gas prices, and the insane burdon / regulations being put on farmers (only one example of a small business affected by backdoor regulations) like my in laws. These last 4 years on the family farm have been too stressful and scary to want to go through again. We need strong leadership both here and abroad...not some wimpy, apologetic, race baiter, who has a record of calling racism whenever someone disagrees with his policy.

Also - we need the press to TELL THE TRUTH, and QUESTION BOLDY. Not coddle the president (whomever that may be) on tough issues, or avoid them completely. I shouldn't have to watch 3 different news outlets, CSPAN (1 and 2), and read 100 different articles to get bits and pieces of the truth. Getting clear and concise information has never been harder for the average american due the 24 hour news cycle, extreme favoritism, and sensationalism. Much of the press will omit truth if it's inconvenient to their bias. What they have forgotten is that the truth is almost ALWAYS inconvenient, but at least it's the friggin' TRUTH.

This country needs to face the hard and cold reality that we are in debt, the debt is growing, and the dollar is being devalued by unlimited printing of money, no thanks to Ben Bernanke and the Fed. If you want to know what happens to a nation when the currency is severely inflated by unlimited printing - look up the Weimar Republic Inflation. It's scary stuff.
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MN Mom I totally agree with everything you said.

Also about the insurance. My husband lost his job in March and is still not working. We had his company insurance for awhile, although the deductibles were $5,000 so basically like we didn't have insurance. I had to take my son to the doctor last week for his impetigo. The office call is normally $100. We told them that we didn't have insurance because his work policy had ended and we're in the process of buying our own insurance and they said they would charge us only $80. Only $20 off, but better than nothing. Basically the insurance that we are buying now it catastrophic insurance and it is $580 a month. Thanks Obama
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I just typed a response here, but it said it had to go through a moderator or something. What's that all about?
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I've had that happen before...probably something in the filters or a bug. It should get resolved once a mod catches it.
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It was basically a post that agreed with you MN and I was saying that my husband lost his job in March and that we are in the process of finding insurance. Finally found one that is $580 a month and it is basically catastrophic. So we took our son to the dr last week for his impetigo and the office call is usually $100, since we paid cash they knocked it down to $80.
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Nicely said MN Mom!

I am tired of being a small business owner who is supposedly living the American dream.

Because sadly living the American dream is more of a nightmare because I DON'T have my hand out.

I feel ALOT like Silver said in her earlier post (#40).

Our government system is severely damaged if not totally broken and we really need to stop and suck it up for a while and fix it properly instead of repeatedly using band-aids on things that need complete overhauling. I want my children and their children to have their own issues, not spend their lives cleaning up ours.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned women's issues yet. I expected them to be addressed last night, but unless it happened when I was out of the room, it wasn't. Last night was suppose to be about domestic issues.

No one in this thread has mentioned it either. Sure, finances are important, but so is our health and well-being.

Did anyone else wonder about this?
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Honestly, I'm more worried about the economy right now. My husband has been out of work since March so that's what I want to know more about.
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Romney.

Guns, anti abortion, anti big government, plus I believe in self sufficiency. Obama has opened the doors for millions more people to "get a piece of their fair share" and either go on food stamps, not pay their loans, stay on unemployment when they really had no plans to go back to work... I could go on forever.

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned women's issues yet. I expected them to be addressed last night, but unless it happened when I was out of the room, it wasn't. Last night was suppose to be about domestic issues.

No one in this thread has mentioned it either. Sure, finances are important, but so is our health and well-being.

Did anyone else wonder about this?

Not sure what you're referencing as far as women's issues go?

The state of the economy is far more important in my mind than anything else and I was relieved to see that seemed to be their priority last night too.

I'll be watching the other two debates but last night was exactly what should have been debated first and foremost IMHO.
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Neither should have to pay for other people to do something they believe is morally wrong. Neither should have to pay for something that goes against their religious beliefs.


There needs to be balance of women's reproductive rights AND a protection of individual religious beliefs.

It is not fair or right to sacrifice one for the other.
EXACTLY. Tolerance and respect must go both ways.
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Me too. I don't feel comfortable with either option. But, it is what it is I guess.
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I am not anti abortion...but, I don't have any problem with someone who's religious beliefs state that he IS anti abortion. He isn't going to change abortion laws, he's just Stating his own beliefs.

I hate that people are so fired up about someone (chic fil a) for believing in something they disagree with. It's beginning to feel like "Tolerance for everyone!!! Except Christians"
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I hate that people are so fired up about someone (chic fil a) for believing in something they disagree with. It's beginning to feel like "Tolerance for everyone!!! Except Christians"


OOps, BC didn't see you just posted the same exact thing. O well, still agree.
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I am not anti abortion...but, I don't have any problem with someone who's religious beliefs state that he IS anti abortion. He isn't going to change abortion laws, he's just Stating his own beliefs.

I hate that people are so fired up about someone (chic fil a) for believing in something they disagree with. It's beginning to feel like "Tolerance for everyone!!! Except Christians"
Jumpin on the train.
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I'm voting for the one who wants people to take responsibility for their financial mistakes (especially corporations), the person who wants people to be self-motivated to improve their life, who wants to put an end to frivolous government spending (yes, including cutting spending on UN planned parenthood). I shouldn't have to give money to any government-sponsored entity who encourages something I personally believe is morally wrong on every level. Also someone who fights for every American, not just the lower class but middle and even upper.
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I am not anti abortion...but, I don't have any problem with someone who's religious beliefs state that he IS anti abortion. He isn't going to change abortion laws, he's just Stating his own beliefs.

I hate that people are so fired up about someone (chic fil a) for believing in something they disagree with. It's beginning to feel like "Tolerance for everyone!!! Except Christians"
Well said
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I wish that they would put a fact check crawl across the screen when they air these debates. That way we could hear what each candidate says and what the facts are all at the same time. I can't remember the last time I checked up on what a politician said and it was really accurate. Occasionally it's close. Sometimes disingenuous. Oftentimes so far off the mark it's not even funny.

I want to vote Republican. I really, really do. I might even vote for Romney, but what I really want is for the Republican Party to produce a candidate that I would feel good about voting for, rather than ambivalent.
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Romney.

He wants to stimulate the economy by providing more jobs to people- not handing out money to people who dont want to work.

My husband is a banker, and the most frustrating part of his job is when the welfare checks come in. Every time it is welfare check day, he says 90% of the people waltz in, and immediately cash out their entire check and go and spend it on crap.

He had 3 siblings come in the other day, whose mother died. She left them $60,000. ALL 3 of her children (all adults) were on welfare. He said they took out $30k immediately and went out to buy a car, then went to another bank branch later in the day and took out another 20k in cash. So basically, tax payers are paying welfare to these people, and they get new cars and cash, without any accountability. All were healthy and capable of working.

I also dislike Obama Care. I dont like mandated health care, and it is going to deteriorate our medical advances in this country. I would rather have the freedom to choose. Medicare is out there for people who need it already.

I feel like Obama 's policies are so anti-darwinian. "Let's take money from successful people and give it to people who dont work hard." So we are basically perpetuating idiocracy, and providing no incentive for those at the bottom to try. Why try when you can sit at home and get a handout?

I have been poor, without healthcare, and have had to work my way up from the bottom from nothing. I took out student loans, worked 2 jobs at a time, busted my behind, and am getting by based on hard work. Between my husband and I, we make just enough not to qualify for any assistance, but not enough to really have anything extra. It really irks me when I see people doing nothing, collecting welfare, (that my family pays into), and going on vacations, buying cars, drugs, etc. If I want to donate to charity I will, but I dont think its fair to take my money and "redistribute" it to someone else who isnt willing to work as hard as I had to, to overcome adversity.

Let's vote for Romney and stimulate the economy by increasing job demand. Let's take some personal accountability for ourselves and not depend on government to regulate us like children.

Also- I encourage everyone to watch the debates and do their own research. The media is so biased it is disgusting. Obama and the media keep making erroneous claims about Romney, and when you watch the debates, you will see that Romney kept saying that the things they are proclaiming are not true, and not what he intends to do. He is not cutting taxes on rich people and increasing taxes on the middle class- he said that over and over.
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Here is a really interesting quiz containing politically related questions. After you answer it, it tells you how your personal views match up with each candidates, and gives you a percentage.

http://www.isidewith.com/presidential-election-quiz

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That was awesome. I took the quiz and really thought about my answers carefully. You really have to use the sliding scale on the left about whether your answer on that subject is of little or big importance to you, and answer each question the way you REALLY feel. You can click on "add a different stance" (or something like that) and it will come up with about 5 new options with contingencies. Anyway, my result came out pretty much the way I thought I felt. This just confirmed it for me! Thanks for posting that.
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I will say this about that: I am decisively better off NOW than I was for years ago. Obama.
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http://www.isidewith.com/presidential-election-quiz

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I took the quiz and I agreed with both. Equally. The other 4 I agreed with over 50%. I could vote for anyone and it still not really matter it seems.

Oh, and Chik fil a only lost my support because of the soggy chicken The old man can say whatever he wants, but I like my chicken crispy.

Apparently Jill Stein is pretty interesting, too (IRC 107 + FFRF). I think I will be researching her some more.
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Confirmed my decision 93% Romney
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My vote is not a vote FOR Romney, but a vote AGAINST Obama.
Romney. For lack of better option.
We were just having this conversation with my Dad the other day. He said the last time he actually voted FOR a President it was Eisenhower I believe.

I'm not for this whole Robin Hood thing going on right now. The American people are more than willing to give, but when it is mandated they stop.

I've made my life choices and a lot of times we go without things. Why is it the people we are mandated to provide for don't seem to go without a thing?

I would have liked to have heard response to a question about the blatent misuse of Welfare, Wick and other assorted funds.

And this whole business of not having to prove who you are and where you live and still being able to Vote is just plumb crazy. Here in New Jersey they have a list of registered voters. When you go to vote they have you sign your name next to your name on the list. I never realized that this wasn't standard. So.. I can go over to PA, DE and MD and vote again for who I want? Craziness!
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Welfare is so misused it's not even funny. It is supposed to be there to help people when they're down and out. It is NOT supposed to be a way of life. Case in point. My husband had a great job and I do daycare. We had the world by the palm of our hand last year. He lost his job in March. Now we're trying to figure out how we're going to pay the mortgage. We applied for a bridge card (food allowance). We were denied. Said we had too many assets. Okay, we have a home that we're upside down on and couldn't sell for what we owe on it, we have 2 cars. Guess we could sell one of the cars. I have a savings account that I put money in everytime I get paid so I can pay the taxes and insurance. Yup, guess I could take that out for food and then not have the money for taxes and insurance. It's complete BS.
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We are a well to do family living in the south who are dems. I vote Obama (my lady parts thank me).

But, If by the grace of his magic underpants Romney gets elected, I'm going to enjoy saying President Mittens for the next 4 yrs.

(yes I'm Fully aware his name is not mittens. I just spend an ungodly amount of time on reddit)
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Welfare is so misused it's not even funny. It is supposed to be there to help people when they're down and out. It is NOT supposed to be a way of life. Case in point. My husband had a great job and I do daycare. We had the world by the palm of our hand last year. He lost his job in March. Now we're trying to figure out how we're going to pay the mortgage. We applied for a bridge card (food allowance). We were denied. Said we had too many assets. Okay, we have a home that we're upside down on and couldn't sell for what we owe on it, we have 2 cars. Guess we could sell one of the cars. I have a savings account that I put money in everytime I get paid so I can pay the taxes and insurance. Yup, guess I could take that out for food and then not have the money for taxes and insurance. It's complete BS.
My DD is 24 years old, single with no children and works 2 jobs (one PT and the other 3/4 time) and is a full-time college student. Pays for her own medical insurance or goes without. She gets zero dollars back in taxes. Last year she paid in.

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Past DCM's is a single mother with one child. She paid zero dollars per month for child care, lives in subsidized housing (her rent is $66 per month), drives a new car, has manicured nails and an i-phone.

She works 32 hours per week but uses 50 hours of child care (child here from open to close) Takes her child to the doctor at every little cough and sniffle (for free...at least to her). Receives no child support because she can't or won't identify the father.

Last year she received almost $5,000 back in taxes.

She recently passed on a promotion at work that would have provided her with medical insurance and paid vacations. The reason? She would lose her benefits.


If that doesn't tell you that there is seriously something wrong with our govenment, you are living in denial.
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My DD is 24 years old, single with no children and works 2 jobs (one PT and the other 3/4 time) and is a full-time college student. Pays for her own medical insurance or goes without. She gets zero dollars back in taxes. Last year she paid in.

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Past DCM's is a single mother with one child. She paid zero dollars per month for child care, lives in subsidized housing (her rent is $66 per month), drives a new car, has manicured nails and an i-phone.

She works 32 hours per week but uses 50 hours of child care (child here from open to close) Takes her child to the doctor at every little cough and sniffle (for free...at least to her). Receives no child support because she can't or won't identify the father.

Last year she received almost $5,000 back in taxes.

She recently passed on a promotion at work that would have provided her with medical insurance and paid vacations. The reason? She would lose her benefits.


If that doesn't tell you that there is seriously something wrong with our govenment, you are living in denial.
Doesn't it just make you sick? Sounds like you have a wonderful daughter!! Another case. My sister owned her own company. She NEVER paid in for her taxes (FICA, social security, workers comp etc) for her employees. She owes the gov't 200,000. She separated from her husband and has 1 daughter that they shared custody. She got food assistance. BS that you can owe the gov't that much money and they in return give you benefits.
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With all the technology out there I wish there was a way to police the benefits system. To see who is spending what on what. Who is sitting on their rear collecting and having more babies to collect more and more and then putting them in daycare for 50 hours per week so they can go get their nails done and play on their iPhone while watching cable tv.

And then they could tell who is really trying hard and working their butts off to make ends meet. Going without the cable and the brand new everything so their kids will have food on the table and clothes on their back.

But that I am sure would be an invasion of privacy! Well, if I'm paying into it I would like to know what I'm buying.

We are a military family who is trying hard to make ends meet and making sacrifies for the safety of all Americans. Some military families even get paid LESS when they are in a war zone than if they were stateside. How is it that my husband has to work 20 years in the military deploying to war zones every few years and makes HALF of his ending salary when he retires. Whereas govt officials can serve their 4 year terms and make their FULL salary for the rest of their lives? And THEN they want to cut military members left and right to save money.

My husband, right now, is meeting with his commander to find out if he will have a job next month. It's is very likely I will get a phone call soon from him saying he's been cut. And this all came about two days ago!

So if Romney says he values the military and won't make anymore cuts he has my vote!

(I know I posted something similiar on here last night but I am nervous and have an anxious stomach right now thinking about our future after this meeting so i just had to kind of vent somewhere, sorry!!)
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Welfare is so misused it's not even funny. It is supposed to be there to help people when they're down and out.

I worked in a very, very low income neighborhood in the 80s. I worked in a public school. We had basic food staples to give to each family once a month. The families had NOTHING. They worked hard, and never complained. It wasn't even like they were struggling, they were just working hard.

They didn't have air conditioning, even in 115 degrees.

They never complained... they just kept working.

They didn't have cars. No nice clothes. The kids got vouchers for a new pair of shoes from Payless twice a year. (August and January)

NOW...that same neighborhood is full of low income people with too many kids, about 40% drive a Cadillac Escalade, and they are proud to drive it to the welfare office to pick up their money. They complained about how much time they have to spend filling out paperwork. They complained about the rules for WIC (they can only buy certain brands and sizes with WIC money)

I drove a friend there a few years ago to pick up her paperwork. A guy in line there yelled "I don't gotta work.. I don't never gotta work" to the guy at the desk who asked if he's been looking for employment. (the kids in this place made it a complete madhouse.. they were awful)

I was sad to see that the work ethic I was so proud of 30 years ago, was totally gone.
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Just for the record....my uterus is no one else's business, nor do I believe my neighbor should ever have to pay for something I choose to do with/to it.

On the flip side of that - I don't give a rip about any other woman's uterus, they can and should be able to do with them whatever they want *****as long as***** and this is huge...... ***I*** don't have to pay for it.



Can you imagine if we voted for a president based on how they felt about testicles?? Platform being:

EVERY MAN THAT DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE ANY/ANY MORE CHILDREN SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO MALE BIRTH CONTROL AND FEDERALLY FUNDED (AND IF NECESSARY) REPEATED VASECTOMY'S!!!!!!!!!!!


Come on now....how stupid and ridiculous does that sound?

As if what's in a man's scrotum should be any of the governments business, or any of the tax payers responsibility.

Not to mention, even if that was what they were after it doesn't mean in a million years that one person could ever make that happen.

Yet some how the obsession with the uterus and this implication that THAT should be the governments business just keeps on trucking through.....for many that being the sole reason for disliking a presidential candidate.




Seriously, I am so over the excuse that someone's personal beliefs about reproductive organs should somehow deem them incapable of being elected into a position that is still and always will be, ultimately ruled by the preferences of the masses.


My uterus thanks me kindly for simply ***living in the United States of America*** because it is smart enough to know that in this country one person cannot dictate what I do with any part of my body.

My pocketbook, politics and moral compass however aren't real fond of the fact that my government currently continues to ***force*** other women's uterus's and what they choose to do with them straight down my throat.


I cannot adequately put to words how offensive that is to every single one of my senses.....
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Exactly Willow.

Another great reasn to vote for a president I heard today from Sherri Shephard on The View. She said today that she was going to vote for Obama because Romney said he was going to cut federal money to PBS. She said, PBS is huge in my house, my son loves to watch Sesame Street. Seriously, THAT is why you're not voting for someone? That's the biggest problem in your life? Wow she made her self sound so ignorant.
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I remember when it was an embarresment to be on welfare/food stamps.

I know several people my age who's families had to use it while growing up, most brief periods but still had to use it. To this day they feel embarressed by it and so do their parents.

I understand if you are working hard and need help but not to just abuse the system.

I've heard alot also of people that abuse financial aid also! They don't use it for what its intended for.
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Exactly Willow.

Another great reasn to vote for a president I heard today from Sherri Shephard on The View. She said today that she was going to vote for Obama because Romney said he was going to cut federal money to PBS. She said, PBS is huge in my house, my son loves to watch Sesame Street. Seriously, THAT is why you're not voting for someone? That's the biggest problem in your life? Wow she made her self sound so ignorant.
I think it was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. She was providing comic relief from the usually bickering women. She does that all the time.
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Exactly Willow.

Another great reasn to vote for a president I heard today from Sherri Shephard on The View. She said today that she was going to vote for Obama because Romney said he was going to cut federal money to PBS. She said, PBS is huge in my house, my son loves to watch Sesame Street. Seriously, THAT is why you're not voting for someone? That's the biggest problem in your life? Wow she made her self sound so ignorant.

She's got money, why doesn't she whip out HER checkbook and pay for it if it's that important to her????

Ohhhh right.......because society today doesn't believe they should have to pay for aaaaanything!!! Free everything for everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!


It's not by a long shot funded entirely by the government, it could totally stay up and running if the people interested in it paid for it. Or her son could "sacrifice" and watch Sesame Street videos until the state of the ECONOMY improves.

What a concept, not having something the American people can't currently afford.....the horror, no one should stand for it



ETA - I don't watch daytime tv, so I have no clue what the intent of the statement was....the above would be my response if she was speaking in jest lol
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She's got money, why doesn't she whip out HER checkbook and pay for it if it's that important to her????

Ohhhh right.......because society today doesn't believe they should have to pay for aaaaanything!!! Free everything for everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!


It's not by a long shot funded entirely by the government, it could totally stay up and running if the people interested in it paid for it. Or her son could "sacrifice" and watch Sesame Street videos until the state of the ECONOMY improves.

What a concept, not having something the American people can't currently afford.....the horror, no one should stand for it



ETA - I don't watch daytime tv, so I have no clue what the intent of the statement was....the above would be my response if she was speaking in jest lol
Oh she was not speaking in jest. She was dead serious. Elizabeth about fell over and said, seriously you're not voting for him because of big bird? UGH. As if she would ever vote for Romney anyway. I taped it and watched it during naptime because I wanted to see what they said about the debate. We have telethons all the time around here for donations to PBS.
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I am a Libertarian. I try to stay incredibly open minded.

The very first thing Obama did in office was rescinded the Mexico City Policy.

Our country is floundering yet he's going to give the yay to take federal tax dollars and funnel them to other countries to use for birth control and abortions.....as his very. first. act as president....as if there is nothing more pressing to be focusing on right out the shoots when you've got a whole lot of people on board just steeped in hope.

There are people HERE that don't have access to regular health care that'll help to keep them ALIVE. Why didn't he think that was more important???


He lost me there.




The left doesn't like when he's called a socialist, yet everything he does is the very definition.

I used to be a fan of Romney but he's come across as an extremist, out of touch moron his entire campaign. That's been very disappointing. Still I will vote for him because Obama promised if he didn't deliver on everything he promised he'd be a one term president. I am saddened to see that once again he is not a man of his word.

I'd love to vote third party but Obama needs to be ousted, and I'm not about to throw away my vote on principal.


Much of what voters don't like about Romney are issues that are controlled on a local/state level. He may become the president but his personal views on most things will not impact the way this country is run unless the masses also agree with him.
I agree with all of this!

I will MOST LIKELY vote for Romney, in the hopes to oust Obama. I dislike the fact that Romney's religion will play such a large roll (how can it not though?) but I REALLY dislike Obama's policies.
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This is kind of off topic, as I don't discuss politics or my views with anyone but my husband.

However, I just wanted to point out how refreshing it is to read everyone's views, and to see how everyone is keeping it civil. I belong to a couple other message boards, (not childcare related) and the threads almost always get locked or deleted, and politics often get banned from discussion.

You ladies and gents, all rock!
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I was going to post this until I seen you did. I did it a few months back. Helped educate me on the canidates!
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I did the quiz....97% Romney.....go figure
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I like to keep religion and government separate. I don't want the beliefs of some deciding the rights of all. Especially for women. I really feel that Romney and Ryan want women back in the 1800s where we had no say and did as men told us. It scares me to the core. Scares me for my medical and personal choices and for my daughter. I don't understand why it is even an issue. And if it is, why aren't men's health issues on the table as well? What is that about?

I also feel that financial issues are questionable for both parties. In a different time, it wasn't that way. But today, each party has issues controlling spending. So I look at what each party is spending on. I am voting for Obama and the party who chooses to take care of it's people first. From offering affordable preventative medical care to all, cleaning up the housing mess and making home ownership and secondary education a possibility for many, and helping people stay in their homes after the bubble burst, the current administration has earned my vote. To me, our rights and people will always be first.

I am MUCH better off than I was during the second Bush administration, I want things to continue on this upswing. Because we must all remember that Bush checked out of office as things were still in a deep decline. It didn't even level off for a long time after that.
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And I do need to say that the abusers of the welfare system are the exception, not the rule. My mother is a case worker and she has seen her fair share of abusers who live off the system. It is more prevalent in low income areas where the people are raised that way and know of no other way. IMO, this makes it even more important to have affordable education options for all.

But I am also of the opinion that I would rather pay for a handful of abusers who cheat the system if it helps feed, house, and clothe a child/family who really needs the assistance.

Remember that a lot of the system abuse is at the state level, not federal. So make sure you look into who is running in your state to make an informed choice.
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I have a question. Just because Mitt Romney believes in pro-life, what gives people the idea that he's going to overturn women's rights? Did he say that and I missed it? I believe in pro-life too, but don't force that opinion on anyone else. He can have his view, but not impose it on anyone else.
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