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Meeko 02:37 PM 03-13-2014
Just wondering.... who thinks this 3 year old is cute?
To be honest, I think he's completely obnoxious and his mother is encouraging it. She's in for big trouble in a few years when the item in question is the car instead of a cup cake.
I wonder if he goes to daycare and whether the provider has to put up with his arguing!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti....html#comments
To be honest, I think he's completely obnoxious and his mother is encouraging it. She's in for big trouble in a few years when the item in question is the car instead of a cup cake.
I wonder if he goes to daycare and whether the provider has to put up with his arguing!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti....html#comments
ihop 02:58 PM 03-13-2014
Oh my goodness! It was painful to watch this and I was going to post it here!
I can not imagine letting a child argue with me that way! And to be as disrespectful as to call me by first name!
Ugh not cute at all.
I can not imagine letting a child argue with me that way! And to be as disrespectful as to call me by first name!
Ugh not cute at all.
Patches 03:08 PM 03-13-2014
Oh no! The mom obviously thinks it's cute if she video taped it and put it on the internet. I actually saw this circulating around Facebook and couldn't bring myself to watch it.
No. Just no.
No. Just no.
spinnymarie 03:08 PM 03-13-2014
Ha.
Cute? Maybe.
Do I want to run into this kid now or in the future?
NO.
Cute? Maybe.
Do I want to run into this kid now or in the future?
NO.
Blackcat31 03:19 PM 03-13-2014
daycare 03:20 PM 03-13-2014
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
ahahhahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaDo you think if i added this in the weekly news letter that would be a good idea......lmao totally kidding...but really could you imagine the looks on thier faces..........
crazydaycarelady 03:29 PM 03-13-2014
I couldn't even watch the whole thing.........it went on way too long.
daycare 03:36 PM 03-13-2014
obviously he's not stranger to arguments. Interesting how he calls her Linda nd honey. Sounds like maybe he has heard this from dad.
Why the need to argue with a 3 year old, makes me wanna slap that mom.
Why the need to argue with a 3 year old, makes me wanna slap that mom.
EntropyControlSpecialist 03:41 PM 03-13-2014
Uhhhh I agree with BC.
I have seen two really defiant Mateos now. It feels like a pattern is developing.
I have seen two really defiant Mateos now. It feels like a pattern is developing.
daycarediva 04:06 PM 03-13-2014
Wth. HE is cute. His behavior is NOT.
how hard is it to say "I said no cupcakes for dinner. No more arguing."
how hard is it to say "I said no cupcakes for dinner. No more arguing."
Imagination's Creations 04:14 PM 03-13-2014
"Linda, honey, listen to this".......Ummmm NOOOOO! This kid definitely got this from someone. No way is this cute! I couldnt even finish watching it! UGH! Some people!
KidGrind 06:00 PM 03-13-2014
I thought the kid was very cute. In my humble opinion he was trying to get what he wanted by mimicking what he has seen adults do.
The kid tried. It seemed mother wasn’t bending. I can admit I get tickled by children’s antics at times.
The kid tried. It seemed mother wasn’t bending. I can admit I get tickled by children’s antics at times.
nannyde 06:44 AM 03-14-2014
I've been debating this video on another board.
I hate it. I even watched it twice which was torture to see if I missed something in it being cute.
What makes me so sad is how it is perceived as intelligent or smart.
It would take me forever to write out but there is a lot to be learned watching him. What he does can be deconstructed and used as a template for new providers to be able to identify and stop the behavior at the root. He is seasoned but each thing he does is very predictable and a pattern. Breaking down that pattern would be a bit of work but you could get it stopped.
I hate it. I even watched it twice which was torture to see if I missed something in it being cute.
What makes me so sad is how it is perceived as intelligent or smart.
It would take me forever to write out but there is a lot to be learned watching him. What he does can be deconstructed and used as a template for new providers to be able to identify and stop the behavior at the root. He is seasoned but each thing he does is very predictable and a pattern. Breaking down that pattern would be a bit of work but you could get it stopped.
melilley 06:55 AM 03-14-2014
Originally Posted by Patches:
Oh no! The mom obviously thinks it's cute if she video taped it and put it on the internet. I actually saw this circulating around Facebook and couldn't bring myself to watch it.
No. Just no.
I couldn't and didn't watch it either.Oh no! The mom obviously thinks it's cute if she video taped it and put it on the internet. I actually saw this circulating around Facebook and couldn't bring myself to watch it.
No. Just no.
morgan24 07:05 AM 03-14-2014
Originally Posted by melilley:
I couldn't and didn't watch it either.
I couldn't watch it either. I think this Mom deserves everything she has coming.I couldn't and didn't watch it either.
mountainside13 07:46 AM 03-14-2014
I saw this on Facebook! Everyone was saying how smart he is, cute and would make a great lawyer. I wanted to say am I the only one that sees something wrong here ?!?
Luna 09:58 AM 03-14-2014
I thought it was funny...from afar. I wouldn't want to be his caregiver.
Btw, about using his mother's first name, there are probably lots of good reasons but here's one...our neighbours are a two-mom family. The children call the one who carried them Mom and the call the other one by her first name.
Btw, about using his mother's first name, there are probably lots of good reasons but here's one...our neighbours are a two-mom family. The children call the one who carried them Mom and the call the other one by her first name.
Leigh 01:34 PM 03-14-2014
I thought the video was cute-hilarious. Would I want that child at MY house? No. I think even the naughty stuff is cute when the kid isn't MY problem!
mama0609 07:36 PM 03-14-2014
I've seen this around facebook but refuse to watch it. I'm glad I'm not the only one!
Laurel 06:08 AM 03-15-2014
I had to laugh. I thought it was funny.
To me, it really depends on how the rest of their relationship is. It does seem like the mom was still refusing and not giving in. I would guess she is just arguing to see if he will argue back to make a cute video. If that isn't the case and she really argues with him all the time then there is a problem.
Laurel
To me, it really depends on how the rest of their relationship is. It does seem like the mom was still refusing and not giving in. I would guess she is just arguing to see if he will argue back to make a cute video. If that isn't the case and she really argues with him all the time then there is a problem.
Laurel
TwinKristi 09:01 AM 03-15-2014
Honestly- this is comparable to the new ban bossy thing for girls IMO. Yes his speech is great, his vocabulary is excellent and using words in their proper usage is above many kids his she but he is simply imitating someone else and sees a desirable reaction and continues it. I had a DCB who was talking well at 18mos BUT it was not because he's so smart but has a jabbering 3-4yr old sister who talks constantly. He picked up sassy talk, lack of manners and demanding things. "I wan water, I wan water, I wan water..." "I wan get out, I wan get out" "I wan cracker, I wan cracker" like 10x in a row. It got REALLY annoying. He is still a 2yr old in every other way (hitting, possessive, tantrums, yelling, etc) but can talk well. So what!
This mom is gonna have her hands full when she tries to tell him no on something she can't give him right then even if she wanted to. When he wants a new laptop at the store TODAY, when he wants a new bike NOW and it's going to be public humiliation for everyone to witness that. Mom has no authority, she can't tell him no now. He will argue like this when he REALLY wants something. Even if she doesn't give in, I'm sure someone will (grandma, dad, aunt, uncle) and that will only make it worse.
This mom is gonna have her hands full when she tries to tell him no on something she can't give him right then even if she wanted to. When he wants a new laptop at the store TODAY, when he wants a new bike NOW and it's going to be public humiliation for everyone to witness that. Mom has no authority, she can't tell him no now. He will argue like this when he REALLY wants something. Even if she doesn't give in, I'm sure someone will (grandma, dad, aunt, uncle) and that will only make it worse.
TwinKristi 09:05 AM 03-15-2014
Also- the story said the child refers to his parents by their first names now after going on a trip and they taught him their names in case he got lost instead of just "I lost my mom" not knowing mom is Linda Smith. I understand the concept but continuing it is weird.
Starburst 10:42 AM 03-15-2014
I couldn't even watch the whole video, I'm like practically screaming "Just discipline him already! Put down your phone/camera and be the parent!"
What really irritated me was that he called his mom by his first name in an patronizing tone! If that is not an outright sign of disrespect I don't know what is!
Maybe that's why one of my pet peeves is when people use my name like that when trying to talk to me. People say "use the person's name" when you talk to them, but when people do that to me it only irritates me and feels like they are trying to gain control of the situation.
What really irritated me was that he called his mom by his first name in an patronizing tone! If that is not an outright sign of disrespect I don't know what is!
Maybe that's why one of my pet peeves is when people use my name like that when trying to talk to me. People say "use the person's name" when you talk to them, but when people do that to me it only irritates me and feels like they are trying to gain control of the situation.
Starburst 10:54 AM 03-15-2014
Originally Posted by nannyde:
I've been debating this video on another board.
I hate it. I even watched it twice which was torture to see if I missed something in it being cute.
What makes me so sad is how it is perceived as intelligent or smart.
It would take me forever to write out but there is a lot to be learned watching him. What he does can be deconstructed and used as a template for new providers to be able to identify and stop the behavior at the root. He is seasoned but each thing he does is very predictable and a pattern. Breaking down that pattern would be a bit of work but you could get it stopped.
I looked at the comments on the board and everyone was saying how "cute", "smart", and "independent" he was. I'm thinking "no, he's disrespectful. and this doesn't show that he is necessary 'smart', only that he is smarter than his parents- which in this situation, isn't saying much!". I've been debating this video on another board.
I hate it. I even watched it twice which was torture to see if I missed something in it being cute.
What makes me so sad is how it is perceived as intelligent or smart.
It would take me forever to write out but there is a lot to be learned watching him. What he does can be deconstructed and used as a template for new providers to be able to identify and stop the behavior at the root. He is seasoned but each thing he does is very predictable and a pattern. Breaking down that pattern would be a bit of work but you could get it stopped.
I bet those people who think he's "cute and smart" won't be thinking that when someone like that is dating their daughter and being that disrespectful to her (possibly even emotionally abusive if he's parents let this pattern continue).
KidGrind 06:44 AM 03-16-2014
Originally Posted by Starburst:
I looked at the comments on the board and everyone was saying how "cute", "smart", and "independent" he was. I'm thinking "no, he's disrespectful. and this doesn't show that he is necessary 'smart', only that he is smarter than his parents- which in this situation, isn't saying much!".
I bet those people who think he's "cute and smart" won't be thinking that when someone like that is dating their daughter and being that disrespectful to her (possibly even emotionally abusive if he's parents let this pattern continue).
Depends on who he grows up to be. I’m not willing to insinuate the boy based on one video will grow up to be disrespectful or emotionally abusive to a potential girlfriend.I looked at the comments on the board and everyone was saying how "cute", "smart", and "independent" he was. I'm thinking "no, he's disrespectful. and this doesn't show that he is necessary 'smart', only that he is smarter than his parents- which in this situation, isn't saying much!".
I bet those people who think he's "cute and smart" won't be thinking that when someone like that is dating their daughter and being that disrespectful to her (possibly even emotionally abusive if he's parents let this pattern continue).
I stole a candy bar at the age of 6 years old. Maybe there was video tape of me and those who saw it labeled me a thief and bad kid. My behavior was unacceptable. I don’t steal as an adult. My poor, illegal behavior as a kid didn’t dictate who I became as an adolescent or adult. A kid trying to score a cupcake from his mother with poor reason and antics does not lead me to believe he will grow up to be a disrespectful or emotionally abusive person. His mother finding his antics funny and deciding to record it doesn’t make her less smart.
Laurel 06:51 AM 03-16-2014
Originally Posted by KidGrind:
Depends on who he grows up to be. I’m not willing to insinuate the boy based on one video will grow up to be disrespectful or emotionally abusive to a potential girlfriend.
I stole a candy bar at the age of 6 years old. Maybe there was video tape of me and those who saw it labeled me a thief and bad kid. My behavior was unacceptable. I don’t steal as an adult. My poor, illegal behavior as a kid didn’t dictate who I became as an adolescent or adult. A kid trying to score a cupcake from his mother with poor reason and antics does not lead me to believe he will grow up to be a disrespectful or emotionally abusive person. His mother finding his antics funny and deciding to record it doesn’t make her less smart.
Depends on who he grows up to be. I’m not willing to insinuate the boy based on one video will grow up to be disrespectful or emotionally abusive to a potential girlfriend.
I stole a candy bar at the age of 6 years old. Maybe there was video tape of me and those who saw it labeled me a thief and bad kid. My behavior was unacceptable. I don’t steal as an adult. My poor, illegal behavior as a kid didn’t dictate who I became as an adolescent or adult. A kid trying to score a cupcake from his mother with poor reason and antics does not lead me to believe he will grow up to be a disrespectful or emotionally abusive person. His mother finding his antics funny and deciding to record it doesn’t make her less smart.
I know. I think we are overanalyzing this a tad....
Laurel
Scribbles 07:57 AM 03-16-2014
Originally Posted by Laurel:
I know. I think we are overanalyzing this a tad....
Laurel
That was my first thought too. It seems we see kids every day that talk to their parents like this little one did and we see lots of kids who try to reason with or debate why they can or can't have something. I know. I think we are overanalyzing this a tad....
Laurel
I have a 4 year old daycare boy who is a master negotiator. Everything that happens during our day is dissected and negotiated by him. He doesn't do it to be disrespectful but more so because he is trying to come to terms with the why. I think he is a really deep thinker.....not the boy in the video...but my daycare kid.
mountainside13 04:40 PM 03-19-2014
The mom and child were on Ellen. Shutterfly have the family $10,000
Blackcat31 04:49 PM 03-19-2014
Originally Posted by mountainside13:
The mom and child were on Ellen. Shutterfly have the family $10,000
Rewarding someone for video taping their child acting completely obnoxious?!? The mom and child were on Ellen. Shutterfly have the family $10,000
Yep.
Good grief! *sigh*
Michelle 04:59 PM 03-19-2014
Oh, wow
that was painful to watch
I think I just had an anxiety attack!
His little mannerisms are probably like his dad.
His closing his eyes and tipping his head up, that was about the only cute thing I saw
Everything else was a train wreck
We have a saying at our house
" say what you mean and mean what you say"
yikes
that was painful to watch
I think I just had an anxiety attack!
His little mannerisms are probably like his dad.
His closing his eyes and tipping his head up, that was about the only cute thing I saw
Everything else was a train wreck
We have a saying at our house
" say what you mean and mean what you say"
yikes
mountainside13 06:04 PM 03-19-2014
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Rewarding someone for video taping their child acting completely obnoxious?!?
Yep.
Good grief! *sigh*
Rewarding someone for video taping their child acting completely obnoxious?!?
Yep.
Good grief! *sigh*
Rewarding for bad behavior
Bookworm 06:48 PM 03-19-2014
While watching this I kept thinking, "Why are they even discussing this"? Once you give your answer, don't allow him to debate you. This is not cute or funny. In response to his calling his mom Linda, DD has called us by our first names since she could talk so I have no problem with this. It wasn't a sign of disrespect. My family didn't realize that they were saying "Sally and John" instead of mommy/daddy.
nannyde 07:13 PM 03-19-2014
Originally Posted by Michelle:
Oh, wow
that was painful to watch
I think I just had an anxiety attack!
His little mannerisms are probably like his dad.
His closing his eyes and tipping his head up, that was about the only cute thing I saw
Everything else was a train wreck
We have a saying at our house
" say what you mean and mean what you say"
yikes
His entire behavior is just dominance. His head up with eyes closed is him dismissing her physically. He interupts her almost completely on the third second of her talking. That's how long it takes for him to recognize that she is dominating. He interjects to get that stopped. Oh, wow
that was painful to watch
I think I just had an anxiety attack!
His little mannerisms are probably like his dad.
His closing his eyes and tipping his head up, that was about the only cute thing I saw
Everything else was a train wreck
We have a saying at our house
" say what you mean and mean what you say"
yikes
His hands on his hips and up in the air with palms up are also.dominance.
He repeats her name over and over as a way to overtalk her to get her to be silent.
Sorry to make this comparison but those non verbal and verbal behaviours are classic wife beater moves.
Now I am not not not not saying he is around a wife beater or he is going to be one. I'm saying that communication style both verbal and nonverbal is classic.
I would tell him to be quiet. He would be expexted to stand in parade rest with lips shut and eyes buried in mine. He would receive the prompt of what I want once and then be required to turn away quietly and go out of the room .
Any balking would start the process over.
This would be used to counter weigh his verbal and non verbal. It woukd be used to show him the other extreme.
As time went off pieces of that plan would be lifted to eventually get him face to face in normal parent child talk and listen patterns.
Not as a punishment..... I would not punish but take the behavior apart and replace with a calm.submissive interaction.
Bookworm 07:36 PM 03-19-2014
Originally Posted by nannyde:
His entire behavior is just dominance. His head up with eyes closed is him dismissing her physically. He interupts her almost completely on the third second of her talking. That's how long it takes for him to recognize that she is dominating. He interjects to get that stopped.
His hands on his hips and up in the air with palms up are also.dominance.
He repeats her name over and over as a way to overtalk her to get her to be silent.
Sorry to make this comparison but those non verbal and verbal behaviours are classic wife beater moves.
Now I am not not not not saying he is around a wife beater or he is going to be one. I'm saying that communication style both verbal and nonverbal is classic.
I would tell him to be quiet. He would be expexted to stand in parade rest with lips shut and eyes buried in mine. He would receive the prompt of what I want once and then be required to turn away quietly and go out of the room .
Any balking would start the process over.
This would be used to counter weigh his verbal and non verbal. It woukd be used to show him the other extreme.
As time went off pieces of that plan would be lifted to eventually get him face to face in normal parent child talk and listen patterns.
Not as a punishment..... I would not punish but take the behavior apart and replace with a calm.submissive interaction.
I see this as a part of "I want my child to like me and be my friend" syndrome.His entire behavior is just dominance. His head up with eyes closed is him dismissing her physically. He interupts her almost completely on the third second of her talking. That's how long it takes for him to recognize that she is dominating. He interjects to get that stopped.
His hands on his hips and up in the air with palms up are also.dominance.
He repeats her name over and over as a way to overtalk her to get her to be silent.
Sorry to make this comparison but those non verbal and verbal behaviours are classic wife beater moves.
Now I am not not not not saying he is around a wife beater or he is going to be one. I'm saying that communication style both verbal and nonverbal is classic.
I would tell him to be quiet. He would be expexted to stand in parade rest with lips shut and eyes buried in mine. He would receive the prompt of what I want once and then be required to turn away quietly and go out of the room .
Any balking would start the process over.
This would be used to counter weigh his verbal and non verbal. It woukd be used to show him the other extreme.
As time went off pieces of that plan would be lifted to eventually get him face to face in normal parent child talk and listen patterns.
Not as a punishment..... I would not punish but take the behavior apart and replace with a calm.submissive interaction.
daniellesweety1 07:42 PM 03-19-2014
Originally Posted by Scribbles:
That was my first thought too. It seems we see kids every day that talk to their parents like this little one did and we see lots of kids who try to reason with or debate why they can or can't have something.
I have a 4 year old daycare boy who is a master negotiator. Everything that happens during our day is dissected and negotiated by him. He doesn't do it to be disrespectful but more so because he is trying to come to terms with the why. I think he is a really deep thinker.....not the boy in the video...but my daycare kid.
Crazy thing, after seeing this your message, I thought of my daughter. She is 5 now, but she too is a child that analyze, think, and negotiate just about everything. Sometimes, every since she was 1 her father would say that she too smart for her own good and her mouth is going to get her in trouble. I try to correct her every time she questions something I say but it exhausted me explaining everything to her. So likes to know why and how etc. Even when it comes to homework, reading, etc. Ex. she asked me if God didn't like her because he made her two front teeth a tid bigger than her other teeth. Lol! I had to explain to her that they aren't that big and they still are small baby teeth. I told her both daddy and mommy her two big front teeth. That was my first thought too. It seems we see kids every day that talk to their parents like this little one did and we see lots of kids who try to reason with or debate why they can or can't have something.
I have a 4 year old daycare boy who is a master negotiator. Everything that happens during our day is dissected and negotiated by him. He doesn't do it to be disrespectful but more so because he is trying to come to terms with the why. I think he is a really deep thinker.....not the boy in the video...but my daycare kid.
Then it went to a deeper discussion about "but I thought God makes everything so that means he made my teeth bigger" It became a long discussion. Sometimes super exhausting. I am one of those mothers that really dislikes mouthy children so at times I find myself becoming upset because she likes to question everything. Her father tells me I'm too mean sometimes. If its educational or child related things, I try to answer all her why's... but if its something I say do, I leave it at BECAUSE I SAID SO.
Unregistered 07:59 PM 03-19-2014
Laurel 04:42 AM 03-20-2014
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
No future entitlement issues brewing at all:
http://adobochronicles.com/2014/03/1...ube-sensation/
I wonder what really happened. In the article it says the child demanded money but then I watched the actual clip (link at the bottom of the article) and the child barely said two words to Ellen and nothing was said about money. As a gift Ellen gave them $10,000 to help out cause they were living with grandma in a tight situation I guess. Also gave mom a spa certificate.No future entitlement issues brewing at all:
http://adobochronicles.com/2014/03/1...ube-sensation/
If you just read the article then it sounds bad but unless we didn't see all of the video (which might be the case cause there is something that says 'original video' and it is taken off) the article is distorted.
Who knows?
Laurel
Leanna 06:15 AM 03-20-2014
Originally Posted by KidGrind:
Depends on who he grows up to be. I’m not willing to insinuate the boy based on one video will grow up to be disrespectful or emotionally abusive to a potential girlfriend.
I stole a candy bar at the age of 6 years old. Maybe there was video tape of me and those who saw it labeled me a thief and bad kid. My behavior was unacceptable. I don’t steal as an adult. My poor, illegal behavior as a kid didn’t dictate who I became as an adolescent or adult. A kid trying to score a cupcake from his mother with poor reason and antics does not lead me to believe he will grow up to be a disrespectful or emotionally abusive person. His mother finding his antics funny and deciding to record it doesn’t make her less smart.
Depends on who he grows up to be. I’m not willing to insinuate the boy based on one video will grow up to be disrespectful or emotionally abusive to a potential girlfriend.
I stole a candy bar at the age of 6 years old. Maybe there was video tape of me and those who saw it labeled me a thief and bad kid. My behavior was unacceptable. I don’t steal as an adult. My poor, illegal behavior as a kid didn’t dictate who I became as an adolescent or adult. A kid trying to score a cupcake from his mother with poor reason and antics does not lead me to believe he will grow up to be a disrespectful or emotionally abusive person. His mother finding his antics funny and deciding to record it doesn’t make her less smart.
Michelle 07:20 AM 03-20-2014
Originally Posted by nannyde:
His entire behavior is just dominance. His head up with eyes closed is him dismissing her physically. He interupts her almost completely on the third second of her talking. That's how long it takes for him to recognize that she is dominating. He interjects to get that stopped.
His hands on his hips and up in the air with palms up are also.dominance.
He repeats her name over and over as a way to overtalk her to get her to be silent.
Sorry to make this comparison but those non verbal and verbal behaviours are classic wife beater moves.
Now I am not not not not saying he is around a wife beater or he is going to be one. I'm saying that communication style both verbal and nonverbal is classic.
I would tell him to be quiet. He would be expexted to stand in parade rest with lips shut and eyes buried in mine. He would receive the prompt of what I want once and then be required to turn away quietly and go out of the room .
Any balking would start the process over.
This would be used to counter weigh his verbal and non verbal. It woukd be used to show him the other extreme.
As time went off pieces of that plan would be lifted to eventually get him face to face in normal parent child talk and listen patterns.
Not as a punishment..... I would not punish but take the behavior apart and replace with a calm.submissive interaction.
I totally agree! I was just remarking that his gestures looked learned.His entire behavior is just dominance. His head up with eyes closed is him dismissing her physically. He interupts her almost completely on the third second of her talking. That's how long it takes for him to recognize that she is dominating. He interjects to get that stopped.
His hands on his hips and up in the air with palms up are also.dominance.
He repeats her name over and over as a way to overtalk her to get her to be silent.
Sorry to make this comparison but those non verbal and verbal behaviours are classic wife beater moves.
Now I am not not not not saying he is around a wife beater or he is going to be one. I'm saying that communication style both verbal and nonverbal is classic.
I would tell him to be quiet. He would be expexted to stand in parade rest with lips shut and eyes buried in mine. He would receive the prompt of what I want once and then be required to turn away quietly and go out of the room .
Any balking would start the process over.
This would be used to counter weigh his verbal and non verbal. It woukd be used to show him the other extreme.
As time went off pieces of that plan would be lifted to eventually get him face to face in normal parent child talk and listen patterns.
Not as a punishment..... I would not punish but take the behavior apart and replace with a calm.submissive interaction.
maybe from dad, which might explain why they are living with grandma
I always say when I see videos like this,
One week at my house ( in his case one month) and he would be saying "yes ma'am and no sir", doing chores and learning to respect adults but at the same time keeping his self esteem, self respect, and confidence in place.
Learning to respect adults is a building block to a happy and successful life.
Ephesians 6:1-3
Children obey your parents in the Lord for this is right
Honor your father and mother which is the first commandment with a promise so that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth
NIV
ihop 05:08 PM 03-20-2014
mama0609 06:02 PM 03-20-2014
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Rewarding someone for video taping their child acting completely obnoxious?!?
Yep.
Good grief! *sigh*
There isn't a big enough eye roll smiley available for me...Rewarding someone for video taping their child acting completely obnoxious?!?
Yep.
Good grief! *sigh*
Michelle 06:33 PM 03-20-2014
wow, I just watched the Ellen clip,
Ellen is hilarious by the way
my dd would never argue, interrupt, call me by name,or disrespect me.
She would ask for a cupcake before dinner and I would say no, maybe after dinner and she would say O.K.
My dd also will be the first one to run to the freezer to get the boo boo bear if someone falls and hurts themselves. Hug someone if they are crying, made student of the month every year since Kindergarden, and last week we were out selling Girls Scout cookies and we found out that my neighbor has cancer and just got out of surgery so she ran home, made her a beautiful card and stayed with her and talking to her until she fell asleep.
When she was 3 we went on a cruise and the daycare kept calling our room asking when we were going to bring her, and her whole life she has shown genuine love, care, respect, and obedience to all adults in her life.
This video makes me so sad that this kid is being rewarded for what he did.
This mom needs parenting classes and kid needs to learn that the world does not revolve around him.
Take him to a children's hospital and volunteer, make cards for our soldiers, just something!!
Ellen is hilarious by the way
my dd would never argue, interrupt, call me by name,or disrespect me.
She would ask for a cupcake before dinner and I would say no, maybe after dinner and she would say O.K.
My dd also will be the first one to run to the freezer to get the boo boo bear if someone falls and hurts themselves. Hug someone if they are crying, made student of the month every year since Kindergarden, and last week we were out selling Girls Scout cookies and we found out that my neighbor has cancer and just got out of surgery so she ran home, made her a beautiful card and stayed with her and talking to her until she fell asleep.
When she was 3 we went on a cruise and the daycare kept calling our room asking when we were going to bring her, and her whole life she has shown genuine love, care, respect, and obedience to all adults in her life.
This video makes me so sad that this kid is being rewarded for what he did.
This mom needs parenting classes and kid needs to learn that the world does not revolve around him.
Take him to a children's hospital and volunteer, make cards for our soldiers, just something!!
craftymissbeth 01:18 PM 03-21-2014
Originally Posted by Michelle:
wow, I just watched the Ellen clip,
Ellen is hilarious by the way
my dd would never argue, interrupt, call me by name,or disrespect me.
She would ask for a cupcake before dinner and I would say no, maybe after dinner and she would say O.K.
My dd also will be the first one to run to the freezer to get the boo boo bear if someone falls and hurts themselves. Hug someone if they are crying, made student of the month every year since Kindergarden, and last week we were out selling Girls Scout cookies and we found out that my neighbor has cancer and just got out of surgery so she ran home, made her a beautiful card and stayed with her and talking to her until she fell asleep.
When she was 3 we went on a cruise and the daycare kept calling our room asking when we were going to bring her, and her whole life she has shown genuine love, care, respect, and obedience to all adults in her life.
This video makes me so sad that this kid is being rewarded for what he did.
This mom needs parenting classes and kid needs to learn that the world does not revolve around him.
Take him to a children's hospital and volunteer, make cards for our soldiers, just something!!
Your daughter sounds like a fabulous human being that anyone would be lucky to have in their lives wow, I just watched the Ellen clip,
Ellen is hilarious by the way
my dd would never argue, interrupt, call me by name,or disrespect me.
She would ask for a cupcake before dinner and I would say no, maybe after dinner and she would say O.K.
My dd also will be the first one to run to the freezer to get the boo boo bear if someone falls and hurts themselves. Hug someone if they are crying, made student of the month every year since Kindergarden, and last week we were out selling Girls Scout cookies and we found out that my neighbor has cancer and just got out of surgery so she ran home, made her a beautiful card and stayed with her and talking to her until she fell asleep.
When she was 3 we went on a cruise and the daycare kept calling our room asking when we were going to bring her, and her whole life she has shown genuine love, care, respect, and obedience to all adults in her life.
This video makes me so sad that this kid is being rewarded for what he did.
This mom needs parenting classes and kid needs to learn that the world does not revolve around him.
Take him to a children's hospital and volunteer, make cards for our soldiers, just something!!
Sereetta 11:10 AM 03-22-2014
Seriously some of these post are obnoxious not the child!!! Who are we to judge the future of this child!!! We can make no determination based on the limited information we have. I hope the mother has explained boundaries and the child knows this is unacceptable way to talk to Mama. Please everyone remember he is a child and there is no one way to parenting.. Hopefully no one judges your family in a similar manor.
Starburst 09:47 PM 03-22-2014
Originally Posted by KidGrind:
Depends on who he grows up to be. I’m not willing to insinuate the boy based on one video will grow up to be disrespectful or emotionally abusive to a potential girlfriend.
I didn't say this particular child was going to grow up that way, I said 'I bet those people who think he's "cute and smart" won't be thinking that when someone like that is dating their daughter and being that disrespectful to her (possibly even emotionally abusive if he's parents let this pattern continue).' because they think it's 'cute' on a young child but if he were an older child, a teenager, or a grown man (which as I said, if his parents let this behavior continue is likely he these manipulative habits will continue; and yes possibly even expand) people would have a different opinion about it. It's like when people think its 'cute' when little kids swear but think it's only disrespectful if an older child or adult does it.Depends on who he grows up to be. I’m not willing to insinuate the boy based on one video will grow up to be disrespectful or emotionally abusive to a potential girlfriend.
Starburst 09:56 PM 03-22-2014
Originally Posted by Sereetta:
Seriously some of these post are obnoxious not the child!!! Who are we to judge the future of this child!!! We can make no determination based on the limited information we have. I hope the mother has explained boundaries and the child knows this is unacceptable way to talk to Mama. Please everyone remember he is a child and there is no one way to parenting.. Hopefully no one judges your family in a similar manor.
I can't imagine a parent that WANTS to post their child's misbehavior online really cares about how others perceive their child or has the rationing skills to explain boundaries. When you put stuff like that online, you are not only opening yourself up to judgment but pretty much accepting it with open arms IMHO.Seriously some of these post are obnoxious not the child!!! Who are we to judge the future of this child!!! We can make no determination based on the limited information we have. I hope the mother has explained boundaries and the child knows this is unacceptable way to talk to Mama. Please everyone remember he is a child and there is no one way to parenting.. Hopefully no one judges your family in a similar manor.
Also, as far as "judging the future of a child" of my teachers said that it has been statistically proven that kindergarten (and even some advanced Pre-K program) teachers are actually very good at predicting which of their students will not graduate high school or go off to college.
Laurel 04:59 AM 03-23-2014
Originally Posted by Starburst:
I didn't say this particular child was going to grow up that way, I said 'I bet those people who think he's "cute and smart" won't be thinking that when someone like that is dating their daughter and being that disrespectful to her (possibly even emotionally abusive if he's parents let this pattern continue).' because they think it's 'cute' on a young child but if he were an older child, a teenager, or a grown man (which as I said, if his parents let this behavior continue is likely he these manipulative habits will continue; and yes possibly even expand) people would have a different opinion about it. It's like when people think its 'cute' when little kids swear but think it's only disrespectful if an older child or adult does it.
That is assuming a lot.I didn't say this particular child was going to grow up that way, I said 'I bet those people who think he's "cute and smart" won't be thinking that when someone like that is dating their daughter and being that disrespectful to her (possibly even emotionally abusive if he's parents let this pattern continue).' because they think it's 'cute' on a young child but if he were an older child, a teenager, or a grown man (which as I said, if his parents let this behavior continue is likely he these manipulative habits will continue; and yes possibly even expand) people would have a different opinion about it. It's like when people think its 'cute' when little kids swear but think it's only disrespectful if an older child or adult does it.
Of course they won't be thinking he is cute IF he grows up to be a wife beater but to draw that possible conclusion from this one incident seems over the top to me.
He was totally docile on the Ellen show clip and it is the 'quiet ones' who sometimes turn out to be school shooters or murder their whole families so maybe we could speculate from the Ellen clip that he will be a school shooter?
Same kind of analogy in my opinion. Now if he has a pattern of this behavior plus other signs then sure but all this distress over this one incident? I don't get it.
Laurel
Sereetta 02:33 PM 03-23-2014
Originally Posted by Starburst:
I can't imagine a parent that WANTS to post their child's misbehavior online really cares about how others perceive their child or has the rationing skills to explain boundaries. When you put stuff like that online, you are not only opening yourself up to judgment but pretty much accepting it with open arms IMHO.
Also, as far as "judging the future of a child" of my teachers said that it has been statistically proven that kindergarten (and even some advanced Pre-K program) teachers are actually very good at predicting which of their students will not graduate high school or go off to college.
Starburst the key phrase was, "Teachers are good at predicting which of THEIR STUDENTS..." I can't imagine a parent that WANTS to post their child's misbehavior online really cares about how others perceive their child or has the rationing skills to explain boundaries. When you put stuff like that online, you are not only opening yourself up to judgment but pretty much accepting it with open arms IMHO.
Also, as far as "judging the future of a child" of my teachers said that it has been statistically proven that kindergarten (and even some advanced Pre-K program) teachers are actually very good at predicting which of their students will not graduate high school or go off to college.
Now unless I missed a thread or comment above no one has stepped up claiming to be this child's teacher. Therefore it is utterly ridiculous to make statements about this child's future. Teachers spend day in and day out with their students for months and build relationship with them.. I've been a classroom teacher for several years now so I'm speaking from experience. With that being said unless one of us are claiming him as our student I again say utterly ridiculous.
Also if this conversations wants to be strictly about facts lets stop making assumptions and do the research.... Do you know if this mother was looking for this kind of attention. Could she possibly wanted to share this with family and friends because she had previously wrote about it and finally wanted to get this on camera.
The point of my original post was to point out no one has room to judge therefore lets be polite and non judgmental when responding to different parenting styles. One day you might be on the other end of mean comments that don't need to be said out loud. IJS
caligirl 01:43 PM 03-25-2014
I watched it one time. Wanting to go right through the video and take over where mom has obviously failed IMO. So many thought it was cute and funny.....as a DCP and mom for 29 years, I did not see the humor in it. I can only imagine what he will be like as he gets older......
Starburst 04:22 PM 03-25-2014
Originally Posted by Sereetta:
Starburst the key phrase was, "Teachers are good at predicting which of THEIR STUDENTS..."
Now unless I missed a thread or comment above no one has stepped up claiming to be this child's teacher. Therefore it is utterly ridiculous to make statements about this child's future. Teachers spend day in and day out with their students for months and build relationship with them.. I've been a classroom teacher for several years now so I'm speaking from experience. With that being said unless one of us are claiming him as our student I again say utterly ridiculous.
Just because you don't agree doesn't mean you have to be rude by calling my statement and opinions 'ridiculous'. You don't know me, you don't know what kinds of expierince if have with children (or people in general), I happen to be very good at reading people (their personalities and intentions) ever since I was young without knowing much about them; when I was a teen I once predicted that one of my roommates (who I only knew for a few months and hardly ever saw) would leave his wife (who I also rarely saw) after they decided to move out of state. Starburst the key phrase was, "Teachers are good at predicting which of THEIR STUDENTS..."
Now unless I missed a thread or comment above no one has stepped up claiming to be this child's teacher. Therefore it is utterly ridiculous to make statements about this child's future. Teachers spend day in and day out with their students for months and build relationship with them.. I've been a classroom teacher for several years now so I'm speaking from experience. With that being said unless one of us are claiming him as our student I again say utterly ridiculous.
When I said that I was referring to the fact that you saying that no one should be assuming and predicting a child's future- that was my major point. And for someone who talks a lot about not being judgmental calling my statements "ridiculous" (and stating originally that other's posts where 'obnoxious'- which I'm sure you were referring indirectly) seems rather judgmental IMHO. But apparently I can't even joke or say the first thought that comes to my mind without being blasted and having my thoughts referred to as "ridiculous" .
@Laural: Again I was only talking about his behavior in the video; NOT him in general and talking about if someone who was older depicted his behavior if people would consider the behavior "cute" and "smart", not the child specifically.
tehck_1013 05:22 PM 07-22-2014
Ok so I saw this video on facebook today and it reminded me of the video that Meeko posted... I didn't want to start a new thread and be annoying so here I am bringing up a similar video here. I was so annoyed that mom let her carry on her sassy lies for so long. UGH! lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXieUz8Otzk
lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXieUz8Otzk
AmyKidsCo 05:33 PM 07-22-2014
Originally Posted by Laurel:
I wonder what really happened. In the article it says the child demanded money but then I watched the actual clip (link at the bottom of the article) and the child barely said two words to Ellen and nothing was said about money. As a gift Ellen gave them $10,000 to help out cause they were living with grandma in a tight situation I guess. Also gave mom a spa certificate.
If you just read the article then it sounds bad but unless we didn't see all of the video (which might be the case cause there is something that says 'original video' and it is taken off) the article is distorted.
Who knows?
Laurel
The problem I see is how many other moms are going to prompt their kids into doing something similar to see if they can get on Ellen and get $10,000? I wonder what really happened. In the article it says the child demanded money but then I watched the actual clip (link at the bottom of the article) and the child barely said two words to Ellen and nothing was said about money. As a gift Ellen gave them $10,000 to help out cause they were living with grandma in a tight situation I guess. Also gave mom a spa certificate.
If you just read the article then it sounds bad but unless we didn't see all of the video (which might be the case cause there is something that says 'original video' and it is taken off) the article is distorted.
Who knows?
Laurel
As far as the ghost thing, young children don't understand lying like an adult does. At 4 the child is telling a story the way she wishes it had happened, the way she imagines it happened, etc. That's not to say she isn't trying to get out of trouble, but they just don't lie the same way as adults until they're older. IMO the mistake is mom arguing with her. "There's drawing on the fish tank - how are you going to clean it up?" End of discussion.
tehck_1013 05:45 PM 07-22-2014
You are absolutely right. I encourage children her age to have imaginations, but I also discourage lying. My kids know the difference. As adorable as it was that she was able to curate such an elaborate story, I still would not let her antics fly. My mouth fell open when she started the "I'm not 'bout to do anything about this, I'm not 'bout to get no ghost, I'm not bout to clean it up..." Unfortunately, parents condone children's behavior when they think it's cute, so this girl will be talking to people like that for the rest of her life. Her mom will regret it when she's a teen
SignMeUp 05:50 PM 07-22-2014
The common theme is that the parents in both cases are drawing out undesirable behavior instead of making short shrift of it.
I'm not saying that there isn't an age-appropriateness to the ghost girl's behavior, but assuming that she has not yet figured out the line between fantasy and reality, it is that parent's JOB to help her figure it out.
This was not the way to go about that.
In my opinion, both parents gave far too much attention to their child's undesirable behavior, thus reinforcing it.
I'm not saying that there isn't an age-appropriateness to the ghost girl's behavior, but assuming that she has not yet figured out the line between fantasy and reality, it is that parent's JOB to help her figure it out.
This was not the way to go about that.
In my opinion, both parents gave far too much attention to their child's undesirable behavior, thus reinforcing it.
Unregistered 06:40 PM 07-22-2014
I prefer my child to question, debate, and express himself than just blindly follow along because some adult told him to do something. Just because someone is an adult doesn't mean they are right or should just dictate to a child something because they can. Compliant children are easier to care for but also at more risk for abuse.
Unregistered 07:28 PM 07-22-2014
Originally Posted by KidGrind:
Depends on who he grows up to be. I’m not willing to insinuate the boy based on one video will grow up to be disrespectful or emotionally abusive to a potential girlfriend.
I stole a candy bar at the age of 6 years old. Maybe there was video tape of me and those who saw it labeled me a thief and bad kid. My behavior was unacceptable. I don’t steal as an adult. My poor, illegal behavior as a kid didn’t dictate who I became as an adolescent or adult. A kid trying to score a cupcake from his mother with poor reason and antics does not lead me to believe he will grow up to be a disrespectful or emotionally abusive person. His mother finding his antics funny and deciding to record it doesn’t make her less smart.
Speaking of parents, and as a parent, I think the overall message of the video is "If you don't give me something, grandma will". I'm pretty sure the grandmother is LAUGHING in the background. This is why I have very limited contact with my mil. She lets my biological children act a fool in her home. My sil, her bio daughter, has her children in that environment, as mil has offered to babysit for her for free, all the time. They are older than my children, and I already see them not being productive. My nephew FAILED the first grade and they had a party for him because he wanted one, because his friends who passed got one. I think the people criticizing the mom are looking at the wrong party. Honestly, some grandparents are very bad and foster bad habits.Depends on who he grows up to be. I’m not willing to insinuate the boy based on one video will grow up to be disrespectful or emotionally abusive to a potential girlfriend.
I stole a candy bar at the age of 6 years old. Maybe there was video tape of me and those who saw it labeled me a thief and bad kid. My behavior was unacceptable. I don’t steal as an adult. My poor, illegal behavior as a kid didn’t dictate who I became as an adolescent or adult. A kid trying to score a cupcake from his mother with poor reason and antics does not lead me to believe he will grow up to be a disrespectful or emotionally abusive person. His mother finding his antics funny and deciding to record it doesn’t make her less smart.
Unregistered 07:31 PM 07-22-2014
Originally Posted by Scribbles:
That was my first thought too. It seems we see kids every day that talk to their parents like this little one did and we see lots of kids who try to reason with or debate why they can or can't have something.
I have a 4 year old daycare boy who is a master negotiator. Everything that happens during our day is dissected and negotiated by him. He doesn't do it to be disrespectful but more so because he is trying to come to terms with the why. I think he is a really deep thinker.....not the boy in the video...but my daycare kid.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but he is probably manipulative. Children at four usually don't have the skills to think that deep about an issue. Also, why is he questioning "everything"? I'm assuming you guys have routines. For example, is he questioning everyday "Why is lunch at 11:30"? That's not deeper thinking, especially if it's something that's happening every day.That was my first thought too. It seems we see kids every day that talk to their parents like this little one did and we see lots of kids who try to reason with or debate why they can or can't have something.
I have a 4 year old daycare boy who is a master negotiator. Everything that happens during our day is dissected and negotiated by him. He doesn't do it to be disrespectful but more so because he is trying to come to terms with the why. I think he is a really deep thinker.....not the boy in the video...but my daycare kid.