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Clinton 11 11.34%
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While this is completely unscientific, we always have some kind of a poll during elections so I figured we could start now. No one will know how you voted here. It is anonymous.

We can do them over the course of the next few months to see how or if they change.
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I really think I need to write in my dog. Anyone want to vote for Tyson Lee Dawg? Not sure if I should vote in this poll or not. The person I voted for seemed like the lessor of evils for me, but I will probably have to make another choice come the actual election.
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While this is completely unscientific, we always have some kind of a poll during elections so I figured we could start now. No one will know how you voted here. It is anonymous.

We can do them over the course of the next few months to see how or if they change.
You should've added "Other" as a poll option as I will be writing "Ficus tree" into the blank line provided after the list of official candidates names.

I am sure my choice will perform better, follow through on expectations and bring me years of enjoyment and happiness. especially in comparison to the others.
Current and future,
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I resent that those are my choices...
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You should've added "Other" as a poll option as I will be writing "Ficus tree" into the blank line provided after the list of official candidates names.

I am sure my choice will perform better, follow through on expectations and bring me years of enjoyment and happiness. especially in comparison to the others.
Current and future,
Added OTHER. Whomever wants me to change their vote to "other", let me know by PM. I would need to subtract it from your original vote though.

I see the "disruptors" are taking the lead here. I find it odd that no women here are voting for Hillary. In California I hear about the need for a woman in the WH. She seems qualified by her resume, I would be interested in why she is not anyone's vote. I guess you could always log out if you wanted to comment anonymously.
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God help us all over the next 4 years. The one I like will likely not get the nomination. It's probably gonna come down to Trump and Clinton and that blank space. I'm sure I will be writing in my own choice.
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Added OTHER. Whomever wants me to change their vote to "other", let me know by PM. I would need to subtract it from your original vote though.

I see the "disruptors" are taking the lead here. I find it odd that no women here are voting for Hillary. In California I hear about the need for a woman in the WH. She seems qualified by her resume, I would be interested in why she is not anyone's vote. I guess you could always log out if you wanted to comment anonymously.
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Added OTHER. Whomever wants me to change their vote to "other", let me know by PM. I would need to subtract it from your original vote though.

I see the "disruptors" are taking the lead here. I find it odd that no women here are voting for Hillary. In California I hear about the need for a woman in the WH. She seems qualified by her resume, I would be interested in why she is not anyone's vote. I guess you could always log out if you wanted to comment anonymously.
No need to log out! I'll tell ya how I really feel!

I won't vote for someone because of their sex any more than I will vote for someone based on their color. Part of me truly believes that many people voted for Obama only because of his race, and that many people will vote for Clinton just to have a woman in the White House. Those are poor reasons to vote for anyone IMHO. I believe that as citizens of the US, it is our job to educate ourselves and vote for the person we think will best do the job. Sadly, some elections I don't feel like we have that person in the choices. This is one of them.
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I see the "disruptors" are taking the lead here. I find it odd that no women here are voting for Hillary. In California I hear about the need for a woman in the WH. She seems qualified by her resume, I would be interested in why she is not anyone's vote. I guess you could always log out if you wanted to comment anonymously.
I can understand where people are coming from with the need for a woman in the white house. For me, I don't think she'd do what needs to be done. I think she'd do more harm than good. I feel the same way about Trump. I suspect it will come down to Clinton and Trump. If that does happen I would vote Clinton simply because, for me, it's the lesser of two evils.

As far as women voting for a woman--I don't vote based on gender. Like another poster said, it's not about getting the first woman to be the president any more than it was about getting the first person of color to be the president. I think that's a stupid way to vote, personally. And i agree with a PP who feels that many people voted Obama simply because of his color-because it was a first.

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It's Bernie or bust for me. I've campaigned hard for him, phone banking and canvassing first in Des Moines, then here in Kansas, and finally in Missouri. I can't vote for Hillary because:

--She's a pathological liar ("I'm a moderate...no wait, I'm a progressive since that's more popular now")
--She's in bed with Wall St. execs and will vote for their interests, not mine
--She has always been against any rights for the LGBT community, and has suddenly changed her tune
--She will literally pander to anyone and change her position depending on to whom she is speaking (Goldman Sachs speeches anyone??)
--She has been getting money from special interest groups that work against the interest of the entire country except the ultra rich

I could seriously go on for days. But Bernie is 100% committed to changing the lives of the little people: our neighbors, our friends, our families. Everything he stands for has unleashed a howling cry from the masses who are desperate to be heard! Some of his bigger policies, like a Medicare-for-all system, are being brutally attacked by the big insurance companies and big Pharma because OF COURSE they benefit the American people and that's NOT WHAT THEY WANT. Some of his smaller, lesser known policies are total genius: turning the U.S. postal system into a low cost check cashing/loan bank to a)Save the post office and lower our postage costs and b)Put those nasty pay-day lenders out of business for charging 25% interest.

I'm totally interested in having a spirited debate about Bernie if anyone is interested in cold, hard facts straight from his campaign headquarters. And if I don't know something, I'll ask. I'm one of those desperate people living in the heart of a very conservative state watching our local government burn our school systems to ashes and literally kill people who can't afford insurance.
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I'm assuming the question means 'Who are you voting for in the primaries?" I already voted in Florida for Sanders. I actually changed my party affiliation from NPA (no party affiliation) to Democrat in order to vote for him because in Florida, NPA's can't vote in primaries.

It doesn't look like he will get the nomination so then I'll vote for Clinton but he is my first choice.
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It's Bernie or bust for me. I've campaigned hard for him, phone banking and canvassing first in Des Moines, then here in Kansas, and finally in Missouri. I can't vote for Hillary because:

--She's a pathological liar ("I'm a moderate...no wait, I'm a progressive since that's more popular now")
--She's in bed with Wall St. execs and will vote for their interests, not mine
--She has always been against any rights for the LGBT community, and has suddenly changed her tune
--She will literally pander to anyone and change her position depending on to whom she is speaking (Goldman Sachs speeches anyone??)
--She has been getting money from special interest groups that work against the interest of the entire country except the ultra rich

I could seriously go on for days. But Bernie is 100% committed to changing the lives of the little people: our neighbors, our friends, our families. Everything he stands for has unleashed a howling cry from the masses who are desperate to be heard! Some of his bigger policies, like a Medicare-for-all system, are being brutally attacked by the big insurance companies and big Pharma because OF COURSE they benefit the American people and that's NOT WHAT THEY WANT. Some of his smaller, lesser known policies are total genius: turning the U.S. postal system into a low cost check cashing/loan bank to a)Save the post office and lower our postage costs and b)Put those nasty pay-day lenders out of business for charging 25% interest.

I'm totally interested in having a spirited debate about Bernie if anyone is interested in cold, hard facts straight from his campaign headquarters. And if I don't know something, I'll ask. I'm one of those desperate people living in the heart of a very conservative state watching our local government burn our school systems to ashes and literally kill people who can't afford insurance.
I will not say my party affiliation but let's just say I called for both Sanders and Trump last June for what the public will clamor for. The "need". I would most likely upset most parties with the way I think. I don't carry the water for any of them.

I've been both broke and wealthy and know from past experience what works for me. I can be right or wrong depending on the timing of things but both Sanders and Trump have the X factor that most people are looking for.

People are engaged and enraged by what they are learning about our republic. Big changes are in order. This is the most exciting political election in a lifetime.

I would be willing to have a spirited conversation with you in PM if interested.
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I don't think I can even consciously choose "other"....As the old song goes "you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything".....that is where I feel we are today! Not sure anyone can do/change/fix anything because there are so many views/ideas/conflicts so how can we ever be united as a country? Just my thoughts on this year's election!
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I'm totally disheartened by our electoral system. Individual votes don't count, delegates do. If your vote wasn't one that made up that particular winning delegate, then it's basically tossed. That's how W. won the presidency even though Gore had the majority of the votes.

Anyway.... Bernie or bust. He's been fighting for civil rights and the basic human rights of the little guy since the 60s. He's not concerned with appearances or special interests. He's concerned with the individual person and their wellbeing.

I'm not voting for Hillary because she's a straight up politician. She says what people want to hear regardless of whether she has any intention of following through.

Trump is a masochistic, racist, sexist, pompous attention wh*re. Period.

Cruz is a liar who cheated Carson out of thousands of votes in the primaries. And then had the nerve to thank God for his wins. He reminds me of a televangelist who blesses the masses and weeps from his golden throne made of the poor man's money while wearing his Armani suit.

These are my opinions. But they are well educated opinions. I've been watching this race closely, almost every day since last summer, so I stand behind my views.
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After I read my post again, I realized how harsh it sounds. My apologies if it offended anyone. My filter seems to disappear when discussing certain subjects and politicians is definitely one of them. I stand by my opinions, however, even though they were poorly worded.
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From history, all it takes to destroy a nation is to divide it's people and wait.

Choose team red or blue they say.

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I'm totally disheartened by our electoral system. Individual votes don't count, delegates do. If your vote wasn't one that made up that particular winning delegate, then it's basically tossed. That's how W. won the presidency even though Gore had the majority of the votes.

Anyway.... Bernie or bust. He's been fighting for civil rights and the basic human rights of the little guy since the 60s. He's not concerned with appearances or special interests. He's concerned with the individual person and their wellbeing.

I'm not voting for Hillary because she's a straight up politician. She says what people want to hear regardless of whether she has any intention of following through.

Trump is a masochistic, racist, sexist, pompous attention wh*re. Period.

Cruz is a liar who cheated Carson out of thousands of votes in the primaries. And then had the nerve to thank God for his wins. He reminds me of a televangelist who blesses the masses and weeps from his golden throne made of the poor man's money while wearing his Armani suit.

These are my opinions. But they are well educated opinions. I've been watching this race closely, almost every day since last summer, so I stand behind my views.
Spot on. If Bernie doesn't get it, I'll vote for Hillary.
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God help us all over the next 4 years. The one I like will likely not get the nomination. It's probably gonna come down to Trump and Clinton and that blank space. I'm sure I will be writing in my own choice.
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~I do wish, but unfortunately(for me anyway), there is no way they're going to let Trump get that nomination...I do think you're right about Clinton's spot though.
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I'm with Her

I'm not happy with the system either, so I am became a delegate this year so I can learn more about the system and work to make small meaningful changes
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And for what its worth - I would vote for Bernie if he didn't need the Senate's cooperation, I just don't see them allowing him to get ANYTHING done. They block Obama and compared to Sanders he's really moderate. Just my 2 cents.
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I am not voting for Clinton solely because she is a woman, she hasn't earned my trust, that's for sure. She should be indicted.

Trump scares the beejesus out of me.

Sanders, although I love his policies, I am concerned about who is going to pay for them.

Cruz is a liar (and a whiner) it's not faaaaaiiiirr. I also disagree with many of his policies.

Kasich has no shot, honestly.

I liked Rubio, but that's not an option now.
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It's Bernie or bust for me. I've campaigned hard for him, phone banking and canvassing first in Des Moines, then here in Kansas, and finally in Missouri. I can't vote for Hillary because:

--She's a pathological liar ("I'm a moderate...no wait, I'm a progressive since that's more popular now")
--She's in bed with Wall St. execs and will vote for their interests, not mine
--She has always been against any rights for the LGBT community, and has suddenly changed her tune
--She will literally pander to anyone and change her position depending on to whom she is speaking (Goldman Sachs speeches anyone??)
--She has been getting money from special interest groups that work against the interest of the entire country except the ultra rich

I could seriously go on for days. But Bernie is 100% committed to changing the lives of the little people: our neighbors, our friends, our families. Everything he stands for has unleashed a howling cry from the masses who are desperate to be heard! Some of his bigger policies, like a Medicare-for-all system, are being brutally attacked by the big insurance companies and big Pharma because OF COURSE they benefit the American people and that's NOT WHAT THEY WANT. Some of his smaller, lesser known policies are total genius: turning the U.S. postal system into a low cost check cashing/loan bank to a)Save the post office and lower our postage costs and b)Put those nasty pay-day lenders out of business for charging 25% interest.

I'm totally interested in having a spirited debate about Bernie if anyone is interested in cold, hard facts straight from his campaign headquarters. And if I don't know something, I'll ask. I'm one of those desperate people living in the heart of a very conservative state watching our local government burn our school systems to ashes and literally kill people who can't afford insurance.
I LOVE his policies (although I feel congress would block 99% of his initiatives). I would like to hear how he plans to expand social programs/fund all of his ideas.
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I LOVE his policies (although I feel congress would block 99% of his initiatives). I would like to hear how he plans to expand social programs/fund all of his ideas.
I'm glad you mentioned funding, here is a resource page about how ALL his proposals will be fully funded. That's the #1 question asked.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how...his-proposals/

And as far as encouraging cooperation in the house & senate...not a problem. The huge base that has come together to elect him is already working on turning over the dinosaurs and electing "Sanders democrats" who will play ball with the new administration.
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Bernie all the way for all of the reasons listed above. I have a crush on that old man I swear. I won't vote for Clinton if it comes down to her and Trump. She makes me cringe.
My 22 year old son said that there is a huge movement in his peer group (hipsters) that will vote for Trump if Bernie doesn't get the nomination. Their thinking is pretty much that Trump will really mess everything up and hopefully create such a big problem we start to fix the election process. I don't know if I'd go that far but the system doesn't work and something does need to change.
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I'm glad you mentioned funding, here is a resource page about how ALL his proposals will be fully funded. That's the #1 question asked.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how...his-proposals/

And as far as encouraging cooperation in the house & senate...not a problem. The huge base that has come together to elect him is already working on turning over the dinosaurs and electing "Sanders democrats" who will play ball with the new administration.
interesting. What will happen when small businesses are forced to carry the health insurance costs? What about self employed people?

We pay OOP for health insurance through the state marketplace. We pay a FORTUNE and we also pay in every single year on taxes. We are getting crushed. If it wasn't for our tax bracket and health insurance overhead, we could easily hire 3-5 more full time employees with livable wages (state mandated wages in my husbands field, so laborers are around 24/hr, he has to pay licensed plumbers upwards of 76/hr on commercial jobs).

If they STOPPED taxing small businesses, you would create and sustain local jobs.
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I do like Bernie, although the tax hike scares me, but I don't see any other way to get anything done. I don't think he'll make it though

Both Hilary and Trump can go to he$$ in the same gasoline-scented handbasket.
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I am not voting for Clinton solely because she is a woman, she hasn't earned my trust, that's for sure. She should be indicted.

Trump scares the beejesus out of me.

Sanders, although I love his policies, I am concerned about who is going to pay for them.

Cruz is a liar (and a whiner) it's not faaaaaiiiirr. I also disagree with many of his policies.

Kasich has no shot, honestly.

I liked Rubio, but that's not an option now.
We think Kasich is staying in, because he's waiting for Cruz and Trump to kill each other. At that point he's the only one left

I was thinking about writing in one of our cats for the election.

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]I'm totally disheartened by our electoral system. Individual votes don't count, delegates do. If your vote wasn't one that made up that particular winning delegate, then it's basically tossed.[/b] That's how W. won the presidency even though Gore had the majority of the votes.

Anyway.... Bernie or bust. He's been fighting for civil rights and the basic human rights of the little guy since the 60s. He's not concerned with appearances or special interests. He's concerned with the individual person and their wellbeing.

I'm not voting for Hillary because she's a straight up politician. She says what people want to hear regardless of whether she has any intention of following through.

Trump is a masochistic, racist, sexist, pompous attention wh*re. Period.

Cruz is a liar who cheated Carson out of thousands of votes in the primaries. And then had the nerve to thank God for his wins. He reminds me of a televangelist who blesses the masses and weeps from his golden throne made of the poor man's money while wearing his Armani suit.

These are my opinions. But they are well educated opinions. I've been watching this race closely, almost every day since last summer, so I stand behind my views.
Sadly most people don't know the truth about how we got the electoral system. It was a scam from the beginning, to get the slave states to ratify the constitution. By giving slaves who were not allowed to vote, a 3/5 count in the electoral system, it made the south more of a promise to be able to keep the slaves. By counting the slaves, it made the "population" of the slave states much higher, giving them more "pull" as it came to voting matters. It was meant to pacify the slave owning states to get the constitution ratified. Yes, political power plays have been going on that long! It is explained in more detail in this book. America's Constitution

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We think Kasich is staying in, because he's waiting for Cruz and Trump to kill each other. At that point he's the only one left

I was thinking about writing in one of our cats for the election.

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It's simple. Kasich is insurance for Trump if he doesn't get 1237. Kasich gets the VP spot. They are all maneuvering as the states primaries play out. Trump needs Ohio in the general so Kasich looks very much needed as Trump progresses. He may very well make 1237. A lot of people here in CA silently support Trump so if he make up the numbers here, he can then pick anyone for VP.

Remember Rubio "suspended" his campaign and asked that he be able to keep his delegates. He may be helpful to Cruz in the second round of the GOP convention.

Sanders is truthful in what he believes, and we need more truth in politics. People are waking up to politics this year and engaging the process. The normal propaganda with smoke and mirrors will not work this election. Trump likewise tells what he feels is the truth, even if you don't like it. So, I think truth wins this year unless the powerful hijack the process. If that happens we will see a major revolt from Americans.
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The thread is young yet - but high fives all around for keeping it civilized and respectful. I wouldn't participate in the this conversation on any other board. Great group of smart, thoughtful people.
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I've met Trump many times IRL. I even had lunch with him on the Trump Princess in 89 with the family I was a Nanny for. Just the five of us. He was "interesting" to me at the time. His kids played with the kids I cared for and went to the same school. They were darling.

I worry about his mouth getting us nuked. North Korea comes to mind... I also worry about him surrounding himself with the wrong people and alienating us from our allies. I can see Sheriff Joe Arpario being his VP. Just kidding... but ya never know. I love me some Sheriff Joe but he's the same kinda loose cannon that could get us blasted off the face of the earth.

Clinton... well I think she has one thing I love. Her husband. He's her greatest asset but will he live long enough to help her?

Sanders... never heard of him and haven't followed him.

I like Mark Cuban. Is it too late for him? ;-)
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The world needs to change on many levels, but I don't believe any of these people will do it. They are all part of the system. Even good ole Bernie.

It will probably be Clinton. I doubt I will vote. I just try to stay on the straight and narrow, keeping my head down.
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In short, I feel pretty helpless in this election. None of the candidates have me jumping up and down, cheering from the sideline. Lies, deceit, and manipulation look pretty prominent from most of them. I agree with someone else who said that Trump's mouth was going to get us nuked.

I guess the lesser of evils is Bernie, however, I'm in the same boat as many. Unsure exactly how he plans to fund these plans, and raising taxes isn't exactly a promising option for my family. We struggle to live (as many do) as it is. What it boils down to is that when much of something sounds too good to be true, it usually is. And even if he has all of these fantastic ideas, there is no way that SOME will allow that to happen. Congress ultimately has the final say, no matter how great a president may be. Our entire system is so screwed and rigged, most of us don't stand a chance.
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It's simple. Kasich is insurance for Trump if he doesn't get 1237. Kasich gets the VP spot. They are all maneuvering as the states primaries play out. Trump needs Ohio in the general so Kasich looks very much needed as Trump progresses. He may very well make 1237. A lot of people here in CA silently support Trump so if he make up the numbers here, he can then pick anyone for VP.

Remember Rubio "suspended" his campaign and asked that he be able to keep his delegates. He may be helpful to Cruz in the second round of the GOP convention.

Sanders is truthful in what he believes, and we need more truth in politics. People are waking up to politics this year and engaging the process. The normal propaganda with smoke and mirrors will not work this election. Trump likewise tells what he feels is the truth, even if you don't like it. So, I think truth wins this year unless the powerful hijack the process. If that happens we will see a major revolt from Americans.
I agree that Sanders is truthful in what he believes, but I don't agree with Sanders.

I don't believe Trump. I heard him speak a few years ago, and he was obviously pandering to the audience. I know all politicians do that at some level, but he just couldn't be believed, it was so over the top.

I won't really write in my cats I'm just not sure what I'll do yet. I really liked Ben Carson and Rand Paul.

Honestly, if it came down to a Democrat in the WH again, I'd rather have Bernie than Hillary, because I believe he is the most honest.

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Well, I am giving these candidates a benefit of a doubt. I put other because last election, there was a huge fight in my city. I put safety first over voting. I must say this is not one of my interests because no matter what happens, someone is unhappy. I do not like conflict. There was even a fight at my first school because someone wrote a nasty slur on this guy's facebook wall after the election, and the guy ran to his dorm room and started fighting with him. Police were called and they calmed both of them down.
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I stay far away from discussing politics , on forums, on Facebook or face to face. Some people get sooo heated up over things it worries me. I know who I like and everyone knows who they like, it's hard to change people's perspective, which many individuals try to do. I respect every person's choice and why they make that choice.
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(I will go back and read the comments after I post, but I didn't want to lose the train of my own thought)

I'm not a citizen... yet. there is a chance I will be by November. if I am, then yes, I'm voting for... well, someone. because I have no right to vote, I try to keep my political agenda to myself. and it actually infuriates me when someone is unhappy with a President or any other authority, but won't vote, even when that someone is allowed (and required, btw) to do so.
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I stay far away from discussing politics , on forums, on Facebook or face to face. Some people get sooo heated up over things it worries me. I know who I like and everyone knows who they like, it's hard to change people's perspective, which many individuals try to do. I respect every person's choice and why they make that choice.
I like the differing opinions here and try to see the candidates though others comments.

I think members just stating what they think about the election, without trying to bring down someone else's logic, is positive and constructive.

In this world, it seems like both sides can be right. The opposing factions believe what they want regardless of the others. It depends on who eventually wins, writes the history. Hopefully the winners don't try to rewrite the past. That would be tragic.
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I like the differing opinions here and try to see the candidates though others comments.

I think members just stating what they think about the election, without trying to bring down someone else's logic, is positive and constructive.

In this world, it seems like both sides can be right. The opposing factions believe what they want regardless of the others. It depends on who eventually wins, writes the history. Hopefully the winners don't try to rewrite the past. That would be tragic.
I learn far more from discussions among "real" people than I do from debates and published articles in/on media sources.
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I'm not a citizen... yet. there is a chance I will be by November. if I am, then yes, I'm voting for... well, someone. because I have no right to vote, I try to keep my political agenda to myself. and it actually infuriates me when someone is unhappy with a President or any other authority, but won't vote, even when that someone is allowed (and required, btw) to do so.
I marked my vote in the poll... again, not going to say which one.
Completely agree with this and it is why I always vote. Even when I feel like I am just picking the lessor of two evils, I vote. I have always been irritated about people complaining about politics (in our country or the workplace or the state level or wherever), and don't do what they can to change it, even when that thing is as easy as voting.
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But am contemplating writing in Disneys Phineas and Ferb on my ballot.
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I'm not a citizen... yet. there is a chance I will be by November. if I am, then yes, I'm voting for... well, someone. because I have no right to vote, I try to keep my political agenda to myself. and it actually infuriates me when someone is unhappy with a President or any other authority, but won't vote, even when that someone is allowed (and required, btw) to do so.
I marked my vote in the poll... again, not going to say which one.
You get to a point with voter fraud that you start to realize your vote may not actually count.
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I'm not really interested in voting for any of these candidates. My ideal president would be someone that's really concerned about our planet. This is the only home we have and if we don't start getting serious about taking care of Mother Earth all of the other issues really will not matter. My other issue would be who's looking out for the middle class people. I'm tired of the upper class people getting all of the tax breaks. some of these so called lower class people drive better cars then me, going on trips and to concerts. When I'm done paying taxes, bills and groceries all I have left over is lint in my pocket. With all that being said I'm not going to not vote so I'm gonna go with Sanders. I damn sure won't be voting for Trump because what he said about Mexicans really rubbed me the wrong way. If he feels that way about them how does he feel about other people from ethnic backgrounds. RIP Prince
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I'm not really interested in voting for any of these candidates. My ideal president would be someone that's really concerned about our planet. This is the only home we have and if we don't start getting serious about taking care of Mother Earth all of the other issues really will not matter. My other issue would be who's looking out for the middle class people. I'm tired of the upper class people getting all of the tax breaks. some of these so called lower class people drive better cars then me, going on trips and to concerts. When I'm done paying taxes, bills and groceries all I have left over is lint in my pocket. With all that being said I'm not going to not vote so I'm gonna go with Sanders. I damn sure won't be voting for Trump because what he said about Mexicans really rubbed me the wrong way. If he feels that way about them how does he feel about other people from ethnic backgrounds. RIP Prince
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I am not voting for Clinton solely because she is a woman, she hasn't earned my trust, that's for sure. She should be indicted.

Trump scares the beejesus out of me.

Sanders, although I love his policies, I am concerned about who is going to pay for them.

Cruz is a liar (and a whiner) it's not faaaaaiiiirr. I also disagree with many of his policies.

Kasich has no shot, honestly.

I liked Rubio, but that's not an option now
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I don't like any of the candidates, but I'm kind of going with whomever I feel is the lesser of evils when I vote in November. I'm in NH and voted for Rubio in the primary, but obviously he's out now. I really only wanted to comment to say I love how respectful everyone has been on this thread so far, sometimes people can get very nasty and vicious with others who disagree with their opinions, civilized debates and arguments are great, one can learn a lot from such spirited discussions, even with those who are on the "other side", I love when people can agree to disagree, and still stay respectful of others' opinions!
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I don't like any of the candidates, but I'm kind of going with whomever I feel is the lesser of evils when I vote in November. I'm in NH and voted for Rubio in the primary, but obviously he's out now. I really only wanted to comment to say I love how respectful everyone has been on this thread so far, sometimes people can get very nasty and vicious with others who disagree with their opinions, civilized debates and arguments are great, one can learn a lot from such spirited discussions, even with those who are on the "other side", I love when people can agree to disagree, and still stay respectful of others' opinions!
I agree, but sadly this thread hasn't helped me to like any of them!
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So, explain this to me. If someone manages to get the required number of delegates, the party is or isn't required to give that person the nom? This is something I'm unclear on.
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So, explain this to me. If someone manages to get the required number of delegates, the party is or isn't required to give that person the nom? This is something I'm unclear on.
If a candidate gets the required 1237 delegates they ARE the nominee for the GOP. If someone comes under that number, anything can happen behind close doors. Trump is a negotiator, that may still play well for him but it starts to reek of favoritism for political gain. Its not Trump's rules but like NYC, you have to know how the game works and those in leverage positions will feel the grease.

This is the year that people will get fed up if they feel disenfranchised. Your vote is supposed to be the one thing that matters in a process that gives us very little else. Both parties have their own civil war brewing. It looks like the GOP is heading into the eye of the storm while the DNC may only now realizing that it has bigger problems ahead. Makes for good drama I suppose.
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It's got to be either Phineas OR Ferb, lady! You must decide!
Ferb for VP. Phineas for Pres. Isabella will make a great First Lady.
Candice for getting everyone Busted and Perry as head of security.

Gracious sakes. I am a child care provider. Aren't I? Lol.
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If a candidate gets the required 1237 delegates they ARE the nominee for the GOP. If someone comes under that number, anything can happen behind close doors. Trump is a negotiator, that may still play well for him but it starts to reek of favoritism for political gain. Its not Trump's rules but like NYC, you have to know how the game works and those in leverage positions will feel the grease.

This is the year that people will get fed up if they feel disenfranchised. Your vote is supposed to be the one thing that matters in a process that gives us very little else. Both parties have their own civil war brewing. It looks like the GOP is heading into the eye of the storm while the DNC may only now realizing that it has bigger problems ahead. Makes for good drama I suppose.
I gotcha. There's talk flying around about a contested RNC and I wasn't sure why it would be contested if someone got the 1237. I don't know what grounds they think they would have to contest it. 1237 is 1237, no matter how you spin it.
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Ferb for VP. Phineas for Pres. Isabella will make a great First Lady.
Candice for getting everyone Busted and Perry as head of security.

Gracious sakes. I am a child care provider. Aren't I? Lol.
I do believe you are. Lol. My kids don't get much screen time, but my 7 year old loves this show.

I think I need to change my vote since Bernie likely won't get the nom. My second choice is Fallon/Timberlake.
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I am VERY happily supporting and voting for Hillary Clinton. I admina Democratic FB group and I get asked why I support her all the time and this is my standard reply:

I am voting for Hillary Clinton because she has been politically active since she was a middle schooler.
I am voting for her because she has taken leadership roles since high school.
I am voting for her because she went to college a Republican like her parents and left a Democrat because she didn't just accept what was fed to her but instead went out and found her own truth and then dedicated her life to it.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because after MLK was assassinated she organized a protest on her college campus that led to a change in fair hiring practices there.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because she spent her college and law school summers doing things like working with migrant workers and registering Latinos to vote in Texas.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because after law school she went to work for the Children's Defense fund instead of a big law firm.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because she went undercover in the deep south to expose private schools who were still practicing segregation.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because when she sat on the board at Walmart she was, according to Sam Walton, a "thorn in his side when it came to women and worker's rights".
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because while sitting on many boards and working as a lawyer when her husband was Governor of Arkansas she ALSO championed a preschool program that has since spread to 26 states and fought for juvenile justice reform in the south as well as many other things like that.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because as FLOTUS she championed healthcare and programs for women and children and pushed for recognition of Gulf War Syndrome when everyone else was ignoring it.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because she went to China and declared women's rights were human rights.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because as a Senator she never stopped fighting for equal pay.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because as a Senator she fought for healthcare for 911 1st responders.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because as a Senator she took it to Wall St and the banks before the crash.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because after a hard loss to Obama in 2008 she stood behind him solidly and worked tirelessly to promote his agenda around the world.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because as SOS she extended full benefits to same sex partners of US diplomats.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because as SOS she stood on the floor of the UN and gave the first speech on global LGBT rights and pushed for a UN commission to address their issues.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because as SOS she brokered a cease fire between Israel and Hamas that lasted nearly a year and put in place the sanctions that brought Iran to the table for the nuclear deal.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because her family foundation has raised and spent billions of dollars to try and make things better here and around the world.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because she has been a tireless voice for the voiceless for almost 50 years.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because she is the most qualified and accomplished human being that we have ever had run for President of the United States.

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So, explain this to me. If someone manages to get the required number of delegates, the party is or isn't required to give that person the nom? This is something I'm unclear on.

If I understand correctly, the delegates could vote to change the convention rules even before the first round of balloting takes place. So, in that case, then no, hitting the magic 1237 number wouldn't require that person be given the nomination.
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I do believe you are. Lol. My kids don't get much screen time, but my 7 year old loves this show.

I think I need to change my vote since Bernie likely won't get the nom. My second choice is Fallon/Timberlake.
Ha! My daycare kids get NO ELECTRONICS. And my own kids are 17&14. I just prefer the innocence of kids tv. Lol
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I've avoided this thread because politics this year is making my blood boil.

I'd like Bernie to be the Dem nominee. But I'm a realist and it will be Hillary.
I'd vote Hillary over Trump.
Say what you will about Hillary, but she has so much more experience than Trump. Like it or not, you can't bull doze your way forward, and Hillary knows it. Like someone else said, she may be crooked but she's not incompentant...
But I maintain that by the time politicians get to a certain level, they've sold their souls. High level politics is dirty, ugly business.
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I am VERY happily supporting and voting for Hillary Clinton. I admina Democratic FB group and I get asked why I support her all the time and this is my standard reply:

I am voting for Hillary Clinton because she has been politically active since she was a middle schooler.
I am voting for her because she has taken leadership roles since high school.
I am voting for her because she went to college a Republican like her parents and left a Democrat because she didn't just accept what was fed to her but instead went out and found her own truth and then dedicated her life to it.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because after MLK was assassinated she organized a protest on her college campus that led to a change in fair hiring practices there.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because she spent her college and law school summers doing things like working with migrant workers and registering Latinos to vote in Texas.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because after law school she went to work for the Children's Defense fund instead of a big law firm.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because she went undercover in the deep south to expose private schools who were still practicing segregation.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because when she sat on the board at Walmart she was, according to Sam Walton, a "thorn in his side when it came to women and worker's rights".
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because while sitting on many boards and working as a lawyer when her husband was Governor of Arkansas she ALSO championed a preschool program that has since spread to 26 states and fought for juvenile justice reform in the south as well as many other things like that.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because as FLOTUS she championed healthcare and programs for women and children and pushed for recognition of Gulf War Syndrome when everyone else was ignoring it.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because she went to China and declared women's rights were human rights.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because as a Senator she never stopped fighting for equal pay.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because as a Senator she fought for healthcare for 911 1st responders.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because as a Senator she took it to Wall St and the banks before the crash.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because after a hard loss to Obama in 2008 she stood behind him solidly and worked tirelessly to promote his agenda around the world.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because as SOS she extended full benefits to same sex partners of US diplomats.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because as SOS she stood on the floor of the UN and gave the first speech on global LGBT rights and pushed for a UN commission to address their issues.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because as SOS she brokered a cease fire between Israel and Hamas that lasted nearly a year and put in place the sanctions that brought Iran to the table for the nuclear deal.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because her family foundation has raised and spent billions of dollars to try and make things better here and around the world.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because she has been a tireless voice for the voiceless for almost 50 years.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because she is the most qualified and accomplished human being that we have ever had run for President of the United States.
Wow, thanks for writing this. I think we had another good post supporting Sanders. Does anyone else want to stump for another candidate? I don't think we are trying to sway opinions here but I think it's interesting to read why members are supporting a candidate.

So far this thread has been civil. I will not allow it to become personal. We need to show that we have the capacity to appreciate our differences even if we strongly disagree.
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Why?

Over the last two years...

-I now spend more on mandatory health insurance than I do my MORTGAGE thanks to obamacare.

-The rights of the pedophile down the street are more protected over the rights of my 6 year old daughter who is forced to walk past his house to school.

-Because I am licensed; I am pushed to be"star-rated", because I am "star-rated" I must be on the food program. Because I am on the food program my well-intentioned (and educated) parents can't control what their kids eat...

Total federal overreach combined with PC craziness will destroy us.

I want the freedom to fail or succeed.

I want the freedom to be offensive or offended.

I want families to be able to make parenting choices for their kids instead of the federal government.

I want my children to learn that we don't all have to think alike, and yet we can be respectful. Agree to dis-agree. Live and let live.

I can't stomach anymore kool-aid.

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So many for Sanders and so few for Clinton and Trump. I've been seeing this all over the news reports, how Sanders is so vigorously supported, but it's not showing up as strongly in the polls.

But I think I know why. He has the young vote. I mean, the really young vote. My 17 yo dd and the majority of her graduating, soon to be turning 18 class, are devout Bernie supporters. They go to the rallies, the support him at the poling places, they display the signs and bumper stickers, etc. I've never seen a generation so young be so involved in politics.

If enough of these kids turn voting age before nomination time, we may have a riot on our hands at the DNC if Hillary is nominated. Just an observation.
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So many for Sanders and so few for Clinton and Trump. I've been seeing this all over the news reports, how Sanders is so vigorously supported, but it's not showing up as strongly in the polls.

But I think I know why. He has the young vote. I mean, the really young vote. My 17 yo dd and the majority of her graduating, soon to be turning 18 class, are devout Bernie supporters. They go to the rallies, the support him at the poling places, they display the signs and bumper stickers, etc. I've never seen a generation so young be so involved in politics.

If enough of these kids turn voting age before nomination time, we may have a riot on our hands at the DNC if Hillary is nominated. Just an observation.
Everybody likes getting stuff. Sanders needs to explain how he intends to pay for his social programs. I have no problem with social programs as long as they can be paid for "long term". More taxes are not the solution for those paying taxes and struggling. Trump believes that the money can be made instead of taxed which makes sense when you think of how much the Feds spend on things. He could cut a lot of waste and streamline the process. Taxes are killing us here in California and we need relief.

Both Sanders and Trump will most likely take it to the corporations (Wall Street) that are now monopolies and crushing small businesses and the middle class. We seem to need a Teddy Roosevelt type that can break up or destroy the powerhouses that are squeezing us and our businesses. Somethings got to change soon.

I guess Hillary would be more of the status quo which is safer but IMO not realistic in for the direction the country is going. I am leaning Trump. I have a place in Palm Beach County so I know a little about him there locally.

As a businessman, I don't have a problem with Trump personally. He seems to do what he feels he needs to to get the job done. Can he do it for all of America remains to be seen. He has a lot to do in the next several months to show he can be Presidential.
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I don't like the violence that Trump elicits, but as a business man, I can't help but wonder what he could do for the US deficit.
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I don't like the violence that Trump elicits, but as a business man, I can't help but wonder what he could do for the US deficit.
He is a smart guy. I will tell you a local story most people don't know about.

He use to fly a YUGE American flag at his Maralago estate on the beach. The city was giving him a hard time to take it down and said the flagpole was too high and wasn't within the city ordinance for height. It was political and Trump didn't like to be told he couldn't fly his big flag. They were fining him like $250 a day which grew to over $100k and he was appealing it in the courts. Here's how he beat them.

He moved the pole to higher ground on his property and shortened the pole. Problem solved. That was very smart. He got what he wanted. Both he and the city won. I think he could work with a divided Congress.

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So many for Sanders and so few for Clinton and Trump. I've been seeing this all over the news reports, how Sanders is so vigorously supported, but it's not showing up as strongly in the polls.

But I think I know why. He has the young vote. I mean, the really young vote. My 17 yo dd and the majority of her graduating, soon to be turning 18 class, are devout Bernie supporters. They go to the rallies, the support him at the poling places, they display the signs and bumper stickers, etc. I've never seen a generation so young be so involved in politics.

If enough of these kids turn voting age before nomination time, we may have a riot on our hands at the DNC if Hillary is nominated. Just an observation.
My daughter is 17, will be 18 at the election. By Ohio law she was allowed to vote in the primary, for the presidential part only. She won't vote for him! But she is like her dad and I, VERY conservative. We are all Republicans, but none of us want anything to do with Trump. It is actually almost a family problem right now, who will we vote for? DD has a study hall at school since she has an online college class (she is limited to 30 credit hours a year and HS classes count). She says they have been having many debates in study hall. I am glad to hear our young people are interested. I thought it was awesome that their government teacher went and got the voter registration forms for them, and turned them in for those who would be 18 in time for the election and wanted to register. He had to go to another town to do it. Actually maybe I will send him a nice email, when teachers go above and beyond I like to tell them. But anyway the real point is that I am glad the younger generation does find it important.

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My sixth grade son said they had an election at school and Trump won. I am assuming most kids voted for Trump because they learned about him in their own homes from their parents/guardians....

Trump definitely says what many people in my state are thinking or so that is my opinion anyway. My brother says "why not try someone like Trump in the White House with a business approach cause nothing else is working?"....mom's side of the family is strong D and would vote for a serial killer for president if they were democrat but my dad's side taught us to vote for the person which usually is the most conservative side, or Republican but we do not always support the Republicans, it just depends...

I feel it will come down to Clinton or Trump and in that case, I go for Trump....Hillary, well, I do not even want to waste my typing skills about her...
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He is a smart guy. I will tell you a local story most people don't know about.

He use to fly a YUGE American flag at his Maralago estate on the beach. The city was giving him a hard time to take it down and said the flagpole was too high and wasn't within the city ordinance for height. It was political and Trump didn't like to be told he couldn't fly his big flag. They were fining him like $250 a day which grew to over $100k and he was appealing it in the courts. Here's how he beat them.

He moved the pole to higher ground on his property and shortened the pole. Problem solved. That was very smart. He got what he wanted. Both he and the city won. I think he could work with a divided Congress.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...m-beach-213122


This is something Trump is known for.
My daughter will argue me that he has his companies in other countries making more from the outcome. But I will simply point back that that is the investment of a good business man and making it work. If he could bring it back to America....then what?
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I think what most Trump supporters like about him is that they think he's business savvy and will create wealth for our country. It's a very interesting debate, and it sounds great, but we all know that money doesn't appear out of thin air. If he runs the country as the CEO of the United States, how does he propose to generate revenue? Reducing the amount of income your company is bringing in (taxes) is a great way to go into bankruptcy, which Trump has done four times. On four separate occasions, Trump has been forced to file Chapter 11 by racking up enormous debt and not having the income to satisfy those debts. I find that to be very poor judgement and poor leadership, and it makes me very nervous that his business skills are the reason people are choosing to vote for him.

Another thing that worries me very much is his lack of political savvy dealing with other countries. He has already made enemies around the world, so much so that many countries are debating banning him from entering their country. In January the British Parliament actually came very close to it, after a huge petition was passed around their country. I'm very nervous about Americans electing a leader whom the world hates. I am not saying we need to bow down to anyone, but what's gonna work? TEAMWORK! He's a bully, not a team player, and there's just no place for bullies on the world stage. America is an amazing country that I'm so proud of, and I want our leader to represent the best qualities that we have to offer, such as wisdom, innovation, and above all else, compassion.
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Bankruptcy may have been a "smart" decision on his part. I totally agree though, that it shows a moral and leadership lack. It is not what should be modeled by a possible president.

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I don't know what level of businesses you may have had experience in but I can tell you many successful people have failed miserably on their way to success. The fact that they persist and do get to their goal should be celebrated.

I guess I am biased since I've lost several businesses and had to let people go for simple reasons that can't always be controlled. I don't think I was the bad guy but I can see how people may not have liked the end result. Its not always easy and is much harder to succeed with your own business.
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While Trump may have a good business head what can he do for security which is a huge issue these days? Also, will he devote energy and support to the 'little' people or go all out for big biz? A lot that I have read about him is about what HE wanted. Games he played to get HIS way. I'm not knocking him as a candidate, it just leaves me with questions as to who he'd be helping.
I am the first to admit I know very little about this campaign. But I want someone who will fight for the common person, someone to look out for veterans, someone who believes all are created equal(gays, transgendered, all races and economically rich and challenged, all religions), immigrants as long as they follow the law of where they live. I certainly don't feel the answer to illegal alien control is build a huge wall and have them finance it. People are people and we all should follow the law of our land.

Thank you for posting all those things about Clinton, it certainly opened my eyes as to the possibility of her handling the job(if Sanders loses out). I agree that politics becomes an ugly dirty business; maybe if it were easier to impeach a president, it would be easier to vote for the lesser of evils KWIM? And they really need to change the voting system. It should be 1 person, 1 vote. No matter what!
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I don't know what level of businesses you may have had experience in but I can tell you many successful people have failed miserably on their way to success. The fact that they persist and do get to their goal should be celebrated.

I guess I am biased since I've lost several businesses and had to let people go for simple reasons that can't always be controlled. I don't think I was the bad guy but I can see how people may not have liked the end result. Its not always easy and is much harder to succeed with your own business.
I'm definitely not a Trump supporter. Heck, I don't even know who I will vote for yet. I don't particularly like any of them, but what you said here reminded me of a famous list of failures I saw about Lincoln. (Again, not comparing Trump to Lincoln at all.)

A common list of the failures of Abraham Lincoln (along with a few successes) is:

1831 - Lost his job
1832 - Defeated in run for Illinois State Legislature
1833 - Failed in business
1834 - Elected to Illinois State Legislature (success)
1835 - Sweetheart died
1836 - Had nervous breakdown
1838 - Defeated in run for Illinois House Speaker
1843 - Defeated in run for nomination for U.S. Congress
1846 - Elected to Congress (success)
1848 - Lost re-nomination
1849 - Rejected for land officer position
1854 - Defeated in run for U.S. Senate
1856 - Defeated in run for nomination for Vice President
1858 - Again defeated in run for U.S. Senate
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I don't know what level of businesses you may have had experience in but I can tell you many successful people have failed miserably on their way to success. The fact that they persist and do get to their goal should be celebrated.

I guess I am biased since I've lost several businesses and had to let people go for simple reasons that can't always be controlled. I don't think I was the bad guy but I can see how people may not have liked the end result. Its not always easy and is much harder to succeed with your own business.

I do appreciate your perspective. And I am willing to concede that Trump wasn't entirely to blame for his bankruptcies; there was a board, a huge room full of decision makers, and an unpredictable economy to deal with. However, in each company's situation, the spending was outrageous and the income wasn't anywhere near enough to keep up with the extravagance.

Entrepreneurs are risk takers. My husband and I have two successful businesses between us, and it was a big risk to start each of them. I just don't want a risk taker in the White House, because the stakes are higher than just bankruptcy. Look how GWB took risks with human lives for the sake of oil. When a president values profit over human life, they have totally lost my respect and my vote. Bernie values human life so much that he won't plunge us into another unnecessary war, he'll make sure everyone has access to affordable health insurance, and that poor kids have a chance to be educated so that they may not choose a life of crime and prison.
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While Trump may have a good business head what can he do for security which is a huge issue these days? Also, will he devote energy and support to the 'little' people or go all out for big biz? A lot that I have read about him is about what HE wanted. Games he played to get HIS way. I'm not knocking him as a candidate, it just leaves me with questions as to who he'd be helping.
I am the first to admit I know very little about this campaign. But I want someone who will fight for the common person, someone to look out for veterans, someone who believes all are created equal(gays, transgendered, all races and economically rich and challenged, all religions), immigrants as long as they follow the law of where they live. I certainly don't feel the answer to illegal alien control is build a huge wall and have them finance it. People are people and we all should follow the law of our land.

Thank you for posting all those things about Clinton, it certainly opened my eyes as to the possibility of her handling the job(if Sanders loses out). I agree that politics becomes an ugly dirty business; maybe if it were easier to impeach a president, it would be easier to vote for the lesser of evils KWIM? And they really need to change the voting system. It should be 1 person, 1 vote. No matter what!
I'm not a psychologist but when I read about narcissistic personality disorder, I wonder if he has it.

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I will follow Brewster's lead and vote "None of the above!"

Clinton-don't trust her or even like her.

Sanders-I believe his intentions are good, but I want less government, not more.

Trump-too much ego and unpredictability and I have a feeling he is going to change his tune during the general election to appeal to more voters, which will p!ss off his base.

Kasich-he isn't too bad, but I don't see him becoming preZ (not sure it's even possible at this point)

Cruz-gives me the creeps...way too fake imo.

I liked rand paul, but since he is out, I am gonna wait and see if anyone runs independent and last resort will be writing in Brewster's famous line.
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http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-c...s/con-20025568
Ok, it looks like I will be the one stumping for Trump.

I know narcissistic people. There are two types. Those that selfishly look out only for themselves and those who feel they can change the world and everyone else will appreciate them for doing it.

I prefer Trump to be narcissistic in DC. Enough of the politicians doing for themselves while Americans suffer. He needs to go in and clean house. I actually think Sanders would do the same thing, albeit in a different manner.

One thing I've noticed about Trump; his brand is important to him. At the very least he will narcissisticly protect the Donald J Trump brand which is separate from the Trump brand. He is putting his name on the line. I like that.

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I think our poll is very interesting and not what the rest of the country would expect.

BTW, I like something in all the candidates and won't have a problem if any of them win. Americans will always find a way forward.
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I am very surprised so far by the numbers. I know there have only been 75 voters at this point but I truly expected Hillary to be way out in the lead the whole way.
One of the problems with campaigning is many candidates say what they think you want to hear then do a 180 as soon as they're elected. And many times a candidate can be a very smooth talker, easy to believe in and fall for. I simply wish for honesty and real ideas that can help heal this country and keep it from spiraling on downward. Whoever gets in there is going to have to do a he!!uva job.
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I, too, will be voting for Trump.

I actually didn't become a registered voter until 2011 (voted in my first presidential election in 2012) and I am over 40 years old

All my life before then I would have been an Independent. The more I get older the more I realize I am more Republican than Democrat. The only thing I am for which my party seems to be against is gay marriage rights, which I am 1000% for. However in 2009 I would have voted for Pres. Obama in a heartbeat. He was young, on fire and gave me hope for the future.

However that quickly changed. I cannot wait until my country is restored. I cannot wait until I can be proud once again. Yes, I am angry. The President and FLOTUS embarrass me.

Donald Trump is also angry like me. He just is saying the things that other candidates are probably thinking but isn't saying out loud. I want a president who will mean what they say.

That being said, the ONLY thing that doesn't sit well with me is the fact that I don't like the public name calling etc. I wish he would act more mature (?). I wish there was a Trump vision but with a Cruz demeanor
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Ok, it looks like I will be the one stumping for Trump.

I know narcissistic people. There are two types. Those that selfishly look out only for themselves and those who feel they can change the world and everyone else will appreciate them for doing it.

I prefer Trump to be narcissistic in DC. Enough of the politicians doing for themselves while Americans suffer. He needs to go in and clean house. I actually think Sanders would do the same thing, albeit in a different manner.

One thing I've noticed about Trump; his brand is important to him. At the very least he will narcissisticly protect the Donald J Trump brand which is separate from the Trump brand. He is putting his name on the line. I like that.

Anyone else want to stump for a candidate? Maybe we could have our own type of Daycare.com caucus here.

I think our poll is very interesting and not what the rest of the country would expect.

BTW, I like something in all the candidates and won't have a problem if any of them win. Americans will always find a way forward.
My daughter knew a narcissistic guy (which is why I looked things up about narcissists) and he was bad news. She met him online but also went to visit him in person. He was completely what we used to call 'two-faced'. It was like he was two different people. Nice to her face but brutal behind her back. Really, really nice to her face. It scared me how he could trick someone who is as smart as she is. I guess there are some nice narcissists and some not so nice ones. I don't know. It just scared me but luckily she found out before she invested more time with him.
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My daughter knew a narcissistic guy (which is why I looked things up about narcissists) and he was bad news. She met him online but also went to visit him in person. He was completely what we used to call 'two-faced'. It was like he was two different people. Nice to her face but brutal behind her back. Really, really nice to her face. It scared me how he could trick someone who is as smart as she is. I guess there are some nice narcissists and some not so nice ones. I don't know. It just scared me but luckily she found out before she invested more time with him.
I don't want to be the only one drumming a beat for a candidate but I would like to keep the conversation going for those that have something to say.

I look at Trump's family and see a parent that has obviously done well empowering his children. They respect their father and truly believe in him. What more could you ask from your kids.

I was on a long flight to Argentina and his daughter Ivanka was flying on the same plane as me. We got off in Panama City, Panama to switch flights there. She is pretty and a couple guys were coming up and talking to her. She was so polite and took the time to talk with each of them. No uppity attitude at all. I was very impressed by her. That has to be taught by the parents. I look more at what a person produces over time than what someone does in an instance.
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This will probably be a stupid question but has Trump ever been politically active? It seems like most candidates are very active before campaigning and I was just curious.
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This will probably be a stupid question but has Trump ever been politically active? It seems like most candidates are very active before campaigning and I was just curious.
No matter what Trump says he has always been in politics. He has bought influence in the process. This county's Founding Fathers allowed for lobbying and I'm sure he has used his money and influence to get things done. I don't blame him because it is the process in place. I think that needs to change.

Two articles which either party should be able to relate to:
http://onedayglobal.com/the-one-thin...th-no-balance/

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/...ty-system.html
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I don't want to be the only one drumming a beat for a candidate but I would like to keep the conversation going for those that have something to say.

I look at Trump's family and see a parent that has obviously done well empowering his children. They respect their father and truly believe in him. What more could you ask from your kids.

I was on a long flight to Argentina and his daughter Ivanka was flying on the same plane as me. We got off in Panama City, Panama to switch flights there. She is pretty and a couple guys were coming up and talking to her. She was so polite and took the time to talk with each of them. No uppity attitude at all. I was very impressed by her. That has to be taught by the parents. I look more at what a person produces over time than what someone does in an instance.
I think you and NoMoreJuice are doing just fine! I belonged to a political forum back when Bush and Kerry were running and kept up with it all. I was debating politics for 3 years or so. I was a news hound and watched all the political talk shows.

My steam kind of ran out on all that but I am enjoying reading the back and forth between you and NoMoreJuice (and everyone really).
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I'm really having fun debating this election with intelligent people who have done their research! I don't really want to stereotype, but all the Trump supporters in western Kansas are only interested in voting for him for some pretty hateful reasons.

Since lobbying was mentioned, and Trump's prior involvement with it, what do you all think about that issue? If I were a single issue voter, that would be the one this election cycle. I think it's so wrong that billionaires are allowed to buy senators and representatives votes. I'm also a YUGE fan of some major campaign finance reform. How ridiculous is it that some people can afford to swing elections in their favor simply by donating insane amounts of money? I strongly believe One person=One vote. Even those of you who aren't voting for Bernie have to admire what we created because of his leadership. The average donation was $27, which means the middle class alone financed his campaign with their pocket money.
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I am VERY happily supporting and voting for Hillary Clinton. I admina Democratic FB group and I get asked why I support her all the time and this is my standard reply:

I am voting for Hillary Clinton because she has been politically active since she was a middle schooler.
I am voting for her because she has taken leadership roles since high school.
I am voting for her because she went to college a Republican like her parents and left a Democrat because she didn't just accept what was fed to her but instead went out and found her own truth and then dedicated her life to it.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because after MLK was assassinated she organized a protest on her college campus that led to a change in fair hiring practices there.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because she spent her college and law school summers doing things like working with migrant workers and registering Latinos to vote in Texas.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because after law school she went to work for the Children's Defense fund instead of a big law firm.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because she went undercover in the deep south to expose private schools who were still practicing segregation.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because when she sat on the board at Walmart she was, according to Sam Walton, a "thorn in his side when it came to women and worker's rights".
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because while sitting on many boards and working as a lawyer when her husband was Governor of Arkansas she ALSO championed a preschool program that has since spread to 26 states and fought for juvenile justice reform in the south as well as many other things like that.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because as FLOTUS she championed healthcare and programs for women and children and pushed for recognition of Gulf War Syndrome when everyone else was ignoring it.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because she went to China and declared women's rights were human rights.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because as a Senator she never stopped fighting for equal pay.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because as a Senator she fought for healthcare for 911 1st responders.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because as a Senator she took it to Wall St and the banks before the crash.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because after a hard loss to Obama in 2008 she stood behind him solidly and worked tirelessly to promote his agenda around the world.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because as SOS she extended full benefits to same sex partners of US diplomats.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because as SOS she stood on the floor of the UN and gave the first speech on global LGBT rights and pushed for a UN commission to address their issues.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because as SOS she brokered a cease fire between Israel and Hamas that lasted nearly a year and put in place the sanctions that brought Iran to the table for the nuclear deal.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because her family foundation has raised and spent billions of dollars to try and make things better here and around the world.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because she has been a tireless voice for the voiceless for almost 50 years.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton because she is the most qualified and accomplished human being that we have ever had run for President of the United States.


This is so good! She is my back-up candidate.
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I don't really get into politics. I thought I was going to vote for Hilary (simply because she's a woman and since she was married to a president, she has a good idea of what the job entails) a while ago. But then I saw some thing on tv where she was talking and started CRYING! That lost my vote right there. I honestly don't remember what she was talking about, I just remember that she stood there crying about whatever she was talking about. I immediately thought, "And you want to have the responsibility for sending people off to war!?! You can't handle that responsibility if you are going to cry about it!" In my opinion, crying does not show a person who is capable of handling the extremely difficult challenges that a president will have to face.

As you all know, I've been through Hell and back throughout my life. I've been raped and molested when I was a kid, had to be the 'man of the house' by the time I was 9 years old, watched my mother suffer for years with cancer and then was the only person with my mother in the hospital when she died while I was 3 months pregnant with my first daughter, had an abusive husband, and an abusive daughter. But I NEVER let them see me cry! I cried AFTER things happened. I cried by myself, to myself. I never let them see that they 'got to me' or that I couldn't handle what they dished out. I never let them see that I became weak and broken. I only showed them that I was strong, capable, and could handle what was being thrown at me at the moment.

That's what we need in a president. Someone who's strong and capable of handling whatever is thrown at us. How is Hilary going to be able to handle whatever is thrown at our country if she is going to break down and cry whenever we are hit by someone/something?

And then Trump... I guess he's just going to call his lawyers and sue whatever country or terrorist group threatens us! OH PLEASE!!!


Now, as much ranting as I just did, please keep in mind that I have only accidentally (by flipping channels, couldn't find anything better, and decided to watch a couple of minutes of something political before turning the tv off) seen a very small handful of anything political in years. So, there might have beem plenty of times when Hilary didn't cry over major events and Trump didn't run off calling his lawyers to sue someone. But, based on the couple of things I've seen, my opinion of them is what I stated above.
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This is so good! She is my back-up candidate.
I thought of you all today. I spent all day at the state convention. We picked our party's governor candidate and senate and house candidates. It was so awesome to spend the day with so many people who care so deeply about our state and country's future.

Trump- he speaks from such a place of hate. That scares me. My Muslim refugee friends do not even hate the people who killed their family members back in Iraq. They pray for them. Policy should start form a place of love not of hate and fear. a wall Mexico will never pay for is not a well thought out plan in my opinion.

I vote for candidates who trust doctors to make the right choice with their patients regarding birth control, abortion and medical marijuana. I am Catholic, but my faith is my own and i would never put my faith onto someone else's body.
Candidates who will legislate for equal pay for equal work.
Paid maternity leave. (I know too many mommas who had to return to work after less than a month)
Expanding Medicare in states that didn't originally. My husband has epilepsy, his medication has been more than or rent for much of our relationship. How can we build and save towards a future paying $800+ a month for his medicine WITH insurance!?
LGBT rights and protections. As a bisexual this is close to my heart.
There is more, but I am tired

Thank you all for participating in this discussion.
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I have noticed the same thing NightOwl has. The younger generation is all for Sanders. My 21 year old and her friends that she grew up with all want Sanders to win. Many of them keep up to date with the politics, attend rallies, and are often on Facebook stating their approval of Sanders. These are kids that I've known since they were 10 years old. They NEVER cared about politics before. But this year, everyone that I know that's between 17 and 30 keeps themselves highly informed of the presidential candidates' stands on each issue and all of them want Bernie Sanders to be the next president!
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I don't really get into politics. I thought I was going to vote for Hilary (simply because she's a woman and since she was married to a president, she has a good idea of what the job entails) a while ago. But then I saw some thing on tv where she was talking and started CRYING! That lost my vote right there. I honestly don't remember what she was talking about, I just remember that she stood there crying about whatever she was talking about. I immediately thought, "And you want to have the responsibility for sending people off to war!?! You can't handle that responsibility if you are going to cry about it!" In my opinion, crying does not show a person who is capable of handling the extremely difficult challenges that a president will have to face.

As you all know, I've been through Hell and back throughout my life. I've been raped and molested when I was a kid, had to be the 'man of the house' by the time I was 9 years old, watched my mother suffer for years with cancer and then was the only person with my mother in the hospital when she died while I was 3 months pregnant with my first daughter, had an abusive husband, and an abusive daughter. But I NEVER let them see me cry! I cried AFTER things happened. I cried by myself, to myself. I never let them see that they 'got to me' or that I couldn't handle what they dished out. I never let them see that I became weak and broken. I only showed them that I was strong, capable, and could handle what was being thrown at me at the moment.

That's what we need in a president. Someone who's strong and capable of handling whatever is thrown at us. How is Hilary going to be able to handle whatever is thrown at our country if she is going to break down and cry whenever we are hit by someone/something?

And then Trump... I guess he's just going to call his lawyers and sue whatever country or terrorist group threatens us! OH PLEASE!!!


Now, as much ranting as I just did, please keep in mind that I have only accidentally (by flipping channels, couldn't find anything better, and decided to watch a couple of minutes of something political before turning the tv off) seen a very small handful of anything political in years. So, there might have beem plenty of times when Hilary didn't cry over major events and Trump didn't run off calling his lawyers to sue someone. But, based on the couple of things I've seen, my opinion of them is what I stated above.
Check out this video to see who cried in office. The list is even longer if you include world leaders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eENVZm73wC0

P.S. Edited to add that former Speaker of the House John Boehner cried often. He is kind of famous for doing that. As long as we don't just point our finger at the female candidate when the men cry too, I'm fine with that, at least that is fair.
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See, I told you I don't keep up with politics. I had no idea that all of those other politicians/presidents cried. I would have reacted the same way to them; talking to the tv and asking them how they are going to protect us, defend us, and send people off to war if when the going gets tough, they sit there and cry.

Of course, that's exactly what my ex drilled into my head about crying. Like I've said before, he wouldn't allow me to cry about my mother's death. So he trained me on the 'rules' of crying. Now that I think of that fact, my way of viewing someone crying were taught to me by what I believe to be a narcissist (among other things). Therefore my way of thinking regarding crying is probably all screwed up! I'm trying to learn what aspects of myself need to be 'reprogrammed'. This might just be one of them.
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I'm a fan of limited government in pretty much every aspect. I think so many of us here in this forum can agree that more regulations and oversight to a program, whether it's education, healthcare, business, etc., does not always make for a better program. When I look at Sanders and Clinton, while they are making promises for more 'free' stuff, all I can see are more regulations. More beauracrats sitting behind a desk telling the people who are actually in the trenches of whatever field how to do their job.

Trump I don't trust. While I do agree he has the skills and experience as a business man to possibly make some strong decisions for our country when it comes to trade, he lacks tact and self-control. His ego is too big for his own good. He doesn't know how to be humble, apologize or just shut up when he's dug himself in to a whole. He doubles down and keeps shouting about how smart he is and that drives me nuts.

So, all that being said, I'm voting for Cruz, should his name end up on the ballot. He is the most 'limited-government' choice that we have right now. He's a champion for states rights AND US soveriegnty over other nations coming in and trying to dictate what we do. He's on the right side of trade agreements, how to deal with ISIS and he is super-smart. ;-) He isn't doing a very good job of making himself look like-able (hence all the comments about him being creepy). He's a serious guy, for sure. Although, did anyone catch him on...was it Fallon's show? He appeared in a skit with 'Trump' and it was funny. Anyway, if people could get past wanting a rockstar, media-whore as a president and look for someone with experience and skills, I think more people would like Cruz.
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I think what most Trump supporters like about him is that they think he's business savvy and will create wealth for our country. It's a very interesting debate, and it sounds great, but we all know that money doesn't appear out of thin air. If he runs the country as the CEO of the United States, how does he propose to generate revenue? Reducing the amount of income your company is bringing in (taxes) is a great way to go into bankruptcy, which Trump has done four times. On four separate occasions, Trump has been forced to file Chapter 11 by racking up enormous debt and not having the income to satisfy those debts. I find that to be very poor judgement and poor leadership, and it makes me very nervous that his business skills are the reason people are choosing to vote for him.

Another thing that worries me very much is his lack of political savvy dealing with other countries. He has already made enemies around the world, so much so that many countries are debating banning him from entering their country. In January the British Parliament actually came very close to it, after a huge petition was passed around their country. I'm very nervous about Americans electing a leader whom the world hates. I am not saying we need to bow down to anyone, but what's gonna work? TEAMWORK! He's a bully, not a team player, and there's just no place for bullies on the world stage. America is an amazing country that I'm so proud of, and I want our leader to represent the best qualities that we have to offer, such as wisdom, innovation, and above all else, compassion.
I was rereading this very informative and enjoyable thread again and thought I would comment on your post as a businessman.

Washington doesn't file for bankruptcy, businesses do. Washington simply prints more money, businesses can't. In doing so, the Fed devalues the dollars we use as citizens for products and services which then cost us more. What Washington is doing is using more and more credit cards to pay for more government agencies and social programs. While many of these services are needed, Washington has no incentive to streamline or make more efficient those programs. Its easier for them to throw more money down that hole. How about Washington help the private sector, mostly small businesses, to create its own prosperity which in turn creates more tax revenue for the government?

Here's an idea. We spend billions for people not working who stay at home getting food stamps and social services. Mind you, I was on both of those programs once. Why not lure companies back to the US and put those people to work but the government pays for half their wages? The company pays $7 and the government pays the other $7. Instead of paying the money for people to stay at home, bring the business back from other countries and use those same dollars to put our people back to work where they want to be. It will give incentive to companies to locate back in the states.

As far as worrying about what other countries think of the US; I want our adversaries to fear us. One thing I am sure our adversaries see in Trump is that he has a definite red line not to cross. He is a decent person until he is attacked or disrespected.

There is a power hierarchy in the world and three countries that could be its leader. China, Russia or the US. There is no such thing as everyone working together to be nice to each other. Deals are made through strength. I don't know about you but I would prefer the US to be that power broker.

If you've ever played chess or poker, you could better understand Trump. Look up Teddy Roosevelt and you will see instances of Trump and the instincts he naturally seems to maneuver with.

President Theodore Roosevelt sued 45 companies under the Sherman Act.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United..._antitrust_law

President Theodore Roosevelt’s foreign policy was Machiavellian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Stick_ideology
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I don't know what level of businesses you may have had experience in but I can tell you many successful people have failed miserably on their way to success. The fact that they persist and do get to their goal should be celebrated.

I guess I am biased since I've lost several businesses and had to let people go for simple reasons that can't always be controlled. I don't think I was the bad guy but I can see how people may not have liked the end result. Its not always easy and is much harder to succeed with your own business.
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