Forum Daycare Forum

Go Back Forum > Main Category > Daycare Center and Family Home Forum

Daycare Center and Family Home Forum Daycare Center and Family Home owners, Directors, Operators and Assistants should post and ask questions here.

Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-30-2018, 10:56 AM
Posts: n/a
Default Working with Teachers Who Don't Care

Yesterday, G23 mo. walked right of the classroom and into another room. I was comforting a hurt child. The lead teacher was in the room working on lesson plans standing by the door. She did nothing to stop the girl from walking out of the room and made me go retrieve her.

Today, we had 8-9 children in a classroom that has a 1:6 ratio according to NJ state law. The same teacher kept leaving the room to grab things, call a parent because of a biting incident (we have a phone in the classroom and/or someone from the front should have been sent in to cover). When I told the teacher "you really can't leave me alone. I'm out of ratio," she just commented that she had things to do and needed to leave. [Meanwhile another teacher got mad at me for leaving her "out of ratio" when she had 10 2.5-4 year olds. At a minimum her ratio is 1:10; if she had enough kids who are 4, the ratio would actually go UP. I was dealing with an issue in my classroom that happened as I was on my way to the other room].

I also asked where the separate soap and water/bleach and water solutions were since there is a two-step procedure for cleaning. Of course, we only have one mystery solution available. I don't know if it's supposed to be used to clean or sanitize, but of course, the other teacher in the room just doesn't care.
Reply With Quote
Old 08-30-2018, 11:35 AM
Snowmom's Avatar
Snowmom Snowmom is offline Member
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: USA
Posts: 1,685

I think you should probably bring up your concerns to the director.
Reply With Quote
Old 08-30-2018, 01:24 PM
Jo123ABC's Avatar
Jo123ABC Jo123ABC is offline Member
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: U.S.
Posts: 430

That's why I prefer a small family daycare setting. It's tough enough caring for kids and working with parents who may have different opinions and values let alone having co-workers you disagree with while caring for kids. I like to be able to control my/my kids' environment too much for that! In this case though, I would also bring my concerns to the director as previously suggested by a dcf member.
Reply With Quote
Old 08-30-2018, 04:13 PM
Posts: n/a

They said that they are pretty lenient about things like letting the kids run out of the classrooms etc.

Same girl ran out again when I was alone comforting a newbie who was getting upset as others were getting picked up. Fortunately, the three girls were excellent. I told them to come and they came right to the door. They were all rewarded with personal thank yous and high fives (the runaway was not happy that she didnít get a high five.)

But as Iím having a full blown panic attack because this girl is allowed to run down the hall or because Iím with 9 kids and I look up to see the other teacher left without telling me, nobody cares.
Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2018, 05:49 PM
flying_babyb's Avatar
flying_babyb flying_babyb is offline Member
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: wisconsin
Posts: 992

can you put a child safety on the door? You know one of those cup type things that you have to press just so to open? I have a similar issue as a toddler teacher. Our gates been broke for almost two weeks and the kids run into our kitchen area (no stoves, just sinks, microwaves, changing area, things to climb ect) or out into the other classroom if the doors open. I ended up duct taping the gate shut friday cause I was alone with 4 kids (Ratio for under 2 Is 1:4 here)
Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2018, 05:52 PM
Posts: n/a


There's another new teacher in the center who had the same reaction to the child running out the door (we were actually told by the owner to keep the door open to allow for airflow). She, too, has worked in a larger nationwide daycare chain where a child running out of the classroom means instant termination.

Today, for the start of the "school year" we had 14 children in our class. They are all roughly between 21 and 27 months of age, so they all fall in the 1:6 ratio. When we got numbers 13 and 14 and I saw the director I told her that we were out of ratio and needed a third teacher.

"The ratio for this room is 1:7."

No. None of the children are over 2-1/2, so they are ALL in the 1:6 ratio range. Therefore, none of the children bump the ratio up to 1:7. She claimed that since several of them are two that it bumps the ratio up (like at 18 months it's 1:6, at 21 months it's 1:7, at 2 it's 1:8, 2 years, 3 months it's 1:9, etc.) I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like that.

Now, it's possible that back in JUNE before the summer session started, there were several children who were 2-1/2 in the room which would have bumped the ratio up to 1:7, but those children have since moved up into another class. I suspect that this is what happened when I was told that the 2-1/2 year old class was a 1:8 ratio. It's possible that there were children in that class who weren't 30 months old; that would have pulled the ratio down temporarily. That's why you can't just rely on memory to remember what the ratio is for a classroom as they can fluctuate slightly. It doesn't matter that there were enough older children in May/June to bump the ratio up; this isn't the case anymore.

I also had to remind the assistant director that we needed two teachers in the room during naptime. Naptime ratios are higher, but our class is a 1:12 ratio during nap, and we had 14.

I'm not sure if the director is completely ignorant of the law or if she's just ignoring it and trying to gaslight me into thinking I'm crazy.
Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2018, 09:17 AM
satcook's Avatar
satcook satcook is offline Member
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Kansas
Posts: 72

Which state are you? It's crazy how your ratios fluctuate! Ours are set in stone for each room
Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2018, 09:35 AM
racemom's Avatar
racemom racemom is offline Member
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: nebraska
Posts: 974

I would ask for a meeting with the director and tell her all your concerns. Bring the state regs with you to show her where you are not following state regs. Let her know your concerned about the kids safety letting them be out of ratio, eunning out of rooms unattended, etc.
Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2018, 10:52 AM
Posts: n/a

I'm in NJ. Our rates are based on ages. The groupings are (for the preschool/daycare ages)

0-18 months (1:4)
18 months to 30 months (2.5) (1:6)
2.5-4 years (1:10)
4-5 years (1:12)
5 years (1:15)

If you have a mixed age group, you average out the ratios. For example, if you have 10 kids in a room with 4 of them between 2.5 and 4 and 6 between 18 and 30 months, you take 4*10 and 6*6 which is 40 and 36 which is 76 and divide by 10 (number of children) which gives you 7.6. That means that ratio for the room is 1:7.

For the most part, the classroom ratios are pretty set, but there are some classes that have some fluctuation. For example, the class I primarily work in is a class of 2 year olds. Between November and January, most of the children will turn 2.5. Because 2.5 is a new ratio bracket, that could bump the classroom ratio up because it would be considered a mixed age group.

On the other hand, if we move kids up to the 2.5 year old classroom in January and there are a few who aren't going to turn 2.5 until the end of the month, it could drop the ratio down a little for a few weeks.

I have tried to talk to the director, but she is very dismissive. She refuses to answer direct questions when I ask them.

I am looking for something else, but that's mostly because I really don't like working in a daycare center; I'd rather work in more of a nanny type role.
Reply With Quote

center based teachers, center workers

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Operating an Unlicensed Daycare Stephan Parents and Guardians Forum 317 07-20-2019 01:28 PM
Drop In Care Nurse Jackie Daycare Center and Family Home Forum 12 11-07-2016 04:33 PM
How Did You Choose Your Name? Nebula Daycare Center and Family Home Forum 14 08-02-2013 02:28 PM
$1000 Grant for Child Care Teachers and Providers TLLCCF Daycare Center and Family Home Forum 4 11-05-2012 06:41 PM
Discrimination at Jo-Ann's Fabrics and Crafts TomCopeland Daycare Center and Family Home Forum 129 01-24-2011 02:58 PM

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:52 PM.         Find A Daycare         List Your Daycare         Toys & Products                 About Us
Please read our Disclaimer before continuing.

Topics pertain mainly to the following States:

Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas California Colorado Connecticut Delaware District of Columbia Florida Georgia Hawaii Idaho Illinois Indiana Iowa Kansas Kentucky Louisiana Maine Maryland Massachusetts Michigan Minnesota Mississippi Missouri Montana Nebraska Nevada New Hampshire New Jersey New Mexico New York North Carolina North Dakota Ohio Oklahoma Oregon Pennsylvania Rhode Island South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Texas Utah Vermont Virginia Washington West Virginia Wisconsin Wyoming