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It's just a tired statement "they're not hurting anyone". It DOES hurt someone. State regs. are in place to help insure the health and safety of it's people. They aren't guarantees, and sometimes they're even unreasonable, but they are what they are, and we don't get to pick-and-choose which ones are okay to break. |
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daycarea dad
WHAT! GET over it! This does not even deserve a reply as it is a very stupid statement you made.
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Heidi,
We are wasting our breath. The unregistered poster is a staunch supporter of illegal daycare. Never thought I'd see the day when someone here posted that. Unreal. I agree with Happy Hearts. |
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I am also licensed. It didn't cost a lot for me to become licensed, however the standards by which I have to abide by are strict and lengthy (200+ pages worth of standards). I had 6 unannounced visits within the past 13 months from the state licensing department just to verify that I was upholding all of the regulations. I have nothing to hide and am willing to do what it takes to ensure other people's children's safety. There are other options in my state for those that don't want to be subjected to all of these regulations and visits. However, there is ALSO the option to be illegal and if you choose that route in this state you quite obviously have something to hide since the other options require a very, very small fee and very little involvement from the state beyond a background check. When I see people attempting to operate illegal daycares I always provide information to them concerning the states requirements in a kind way to give them the benefit of the doubt. Some are quite rude since they are aware that they are operating illegally, while others are quite gracious because they simply did not know. |
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Somebody mentioned that I might be illegal and the answer is yes. According to my state I can only watch 3 kids including my own and I have 3 kids myself. I currently have 1 family with 2 children and 1 part time child who comes 2 days a week. If I was licensed I could be watching 6 - 8 kids. And background checks can be done if a parent requests it and just because someone can pass a background check meana nothing there are licensed daycare that have been reported for abuse. All the ppaperwork required by the state takes way to much time and like someone said they would be running my business not me
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Just throwing this out there....
What do you think would happen if CPS started holding PARENTS who choose illegal daycare for their children responsible for their choice? I know if they let them ride without a seatbelt (also illegal) they are held accountable. What is the difference? I think that will be the new topic for letters to my representatives. I am just babysitting, anyway... I have lots of free time while they sit in front of the TV. OK, too far, was asked for free childcare by a acquaintance again today, ya know "since you are home". Feeling punchy.... Sorry.
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As for CPS, I think they have bigger fish to fry, but I sure wish DCF would concentrate more on that, and less on trying to reinvent the wheel by raising the bar higher and higher for us. Wisconsin has some of the most stringent licensing laws in the country, yet they keep coming up with stuff to add to our load. |
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If you truly care about the children you watch, why would getting licensed be so difficult? I don't buy or except the excuse that the paperwork takes too long. KNOWINGLY providing care that is ILLEGAL sheds a bad light on ALL providers. KNOWINGLY providing care that is ILLEGAL says alot about your own morals and values. Do ALL of your child care parents know that you are operating ILLEGALLY? Not that you aren't licensed but that you are actually illegal but that should you get shut down, they would immediately lose their child care? I also wonder about the legal ramifications of this...is your contract still valid? Would it be upheld in a court of law if a parent were to use your illegal operation against you? Whew.....that is really a huge risk (on many levels) to take IMHO. |
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On one hand, it sucks that we have to be regulated for every little thing and that some people may do these things for family and friends and be successful without all the red tape. On the OTHER hand, people doing it for strangers getting paid without being taxed, without having to pay for permits, without having to be held accountable for anything doing it, taking potential income from others who ARE following all the laws. AND as consumers, we have limited rights if something goes wrong with someone who is unlicensed/unregulated. |
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I know I have not been on as much as I used to be but.... You, my dear, have blossomed into a bad @$$. Maybe you should be Steel Magnolia, now....
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I guess I just take this too seriously. It's not funny, at all. Kwim?? I'm usually pretty mild mannered. Sorry guys. Except for the troll, or the illegal operator, you can kiss my hippy rear end. |
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It has always been a hot topic button for me. My whole *large* county only has two LEGAL home providers... we keep a total of 12 kids between us. With only two commercial centers in 10 miles..... Well, you do the math. The rest dropped their licensing because of this whole QRIS Ratings thing and never looked back. They are not being investigated, either... I bet the States licensed provider "Compliance Percentage" looks great on paper to the Feds though. Beyond frustrating.
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Wisconsin lost a lot of legal providers when they went to Youngstar (our QRIS) as well. I'm sure not all of those people are out of business. They just went underground, or they take less kids. They can't take state-funded kids unless they're regulated, so it's all private-pay. I'm considering dropping my license next time around as well (but not operating illegally). There is only so much "they" can keep heaping on us for what amounts to less than minimum wage. |
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Just wondering why you think it is because of the rating system? What does it involve?
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absolutely they are!
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It was not even available when most of us started and high school seniors are graduating with them in hand, on our tax dollars. Many providers are just "over it". I simply printed off HOW they get the STARS and handed that info directly to my clients. They rolled their eyes, laughed and said "We're good.".
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Here is our point detail...
http://dcf.wi.gov/youngstar/pdf/point_detail_family.pdf Without a degree, you cannot be 5 star. Without at least 24 ECE credits, you cannot be a 4, and without 18, cannot be a 3. Our head of DCF went on the news saying that "2 star programs are the equivalent of receiving a D grade". The 2 star programs are the providers who reluctantly joined Youngstar because they had to (in order to take state-assisted kids). These are people who in some cases have been providers for years, meet the state's 750+ licensing rules, and sometimes are teachers of various childcare courses. But...they are "D" programs in her eyes. A lot of people just said F-it, and either went unregulated or illegal, even. No one does anything to the illegals here, for the most part. |
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The unregistered poster you replied to did NOT post once in this thread as unregistered so I am completely confused by her statement that someone mentioned she was illegal. If she is trying to "appear" as if she is the other unregistered user, she has failed. |
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And for Cat too......you can't "opt-out" of the whole QRIS program? And keep your license? We can opt-out, we just can't accept state subsidy without participating. My license and everything would be totally unaffected by opting out. I can't BELIEVE they would force people into illegal operation over NOT participating in a quality improvement plan. And I thought Florida was the capital of BS. Oh my..
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http://qualitystarsny.org/ Each state has different rules but most of the basics are the same. |
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Smelly stinky poo poo pants on trolls. |
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I cannot believe anyone can find a logical reason for operating illegally. It baffles me that those types providers think that just because they love kids, it's all ok. |
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Sugar, we can opt out, but the State is also using our tax dollars to fund a huge TV marketing campaign/commercials to tell parents to avoid us even IF we have had no violations in over 20 years.. and stayed licensed in good faith.
To add insult to injury, the State CCR&R website now only shows two inspections for parents to review, so the new 18 year old/straight out of high school/no experience/living in their parents basement "providers" look better by comparison. ( not even two YEARS, two inspections out of 4 per year)
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It is VERY new here.
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The whole thread makes me sick. Just when you think you hear it all.
I seriously hope this is all just to stir up the pot and not really someone who thinks its totally ok to do things illegally. Its about children, the rules are for their safety! Not wanting to follow them is pure laziness and endangerment, whether you love children or not. There was a woman that lived down the street from me that had 5 DCKs, a small group by many standards, but 4 were under 15months and the other was barely 2. This is highly illegal, for licensed and unlicensed, in my state because you can only have 2 under 2. She stopped me on the way to the park once because she wanted to chat. She literally said "I just undercut competition by half or so and now I get paid to watch tv" when I told her the laws she replied "well my parents pay in cash so its not traceable and no one can prove otherwise" But hey she must love kids to put up with all those diapers and bottles, so I guess it's ok (I reported her BTW but heard nothing, they moved shortly after so I have no idea what happened but I'm sure she's still at it) Quote:
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Here the state is trying to go to qualistar ratings and ALL family homes will now be required to have a degree or CDA to run their businesses, even the smaller homes. They also have to start participating in the ratings programs. While for the larger homes this can be an advantage, for the small homes it's a huge disadvantage because to get the CDA here (not thru school but thru the state) is over $500 up front to the class start. A lot of smaller home providers cannot afford this. (There are some families that can only take 2-4 children total because own kids count in capacities or because of their sq footage, etc.) It's why we have a lot of unlicensed homes these days. Many licensed homes have ALSo given up their licenses because they know that by January 2014 that they'll be shut down if they don't finish the classes etc...and so it's pointless. Most did keep their families though.
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Ok, this thread got really off track, but.still pertains to illegal care, so I'll add this:
If good, long-term providers with clear records and happy families.are being forced into illegal operation by DCF AND STATE SPONSORED PROGRAMS to improve quality.........then something is very Very VERY wrong with this picture. If you can opt out and keep your license, or at least still be LEGAL, then that's unfortunate, but waaaaay better than operating illegally. "Dear Your State, QRIS programs are meant to improve quality of child care in our.state. Your program is having the opposite effect when it forces good providers to become criminals if they choose not to participate. Shame on you. Caregiver". |
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Good luck getting anyone to listen. NAFCCA, AFSCME, and countless provider groups have tried. SOMEBODY is making money on all of it, just not us. |
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Really? Quality Stars is new here and I am afraid it will have the same effect. I am not against regulations/standards/etc. but am worried about how things are being implemented. The last thing the early childhood community needs is to be divided.
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Because this country no longer wants child CARE providers. They want early childhood EDUCATORS. I truly believe that family child care providers as we know them to be now will NO longer exist within the next 5 (+ or -) years. Honestly, I DO think that having a CDA should really be a minimum standard. It is NOT hard to get and the education you get IS worth it. I do NOT think providers should be required to have an actually A.A or A.A.S. degree or higher. |
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So, education should be a component, but not the only deciding factor. Writing a curriculum or doing assessments or providing teacher-led gym class could be components, just not the only deciding factors. National Accreditation has 228 standards. About 20 of those are non-negotiable. The rest, you have to meet a percentage of to be accredited. If the QRIS were similar, it would be much fairer. Meet 90% of the standards, you are a 5 star, 80-4 star, etc. Or something like that. It really confuses me that they even have a 1 star. That means, you are about to be shut down due to licensing violations, and you can't accept state-funded kids. What is the point of that? |
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I loved the CDA training... I oppose the continued annual fee fee's, pressured accreditations, mandatory paid memberships in associations that receive money from the afore mentioned fee fees.... just to KEEP the CDA. blah, blah, blah Not to mention the *recommended purchases* that are constantly pushed on you or the legislative measures you are *encouraged" to support. With each new mailing I first look for the Scientology logo... Just kidding, but... ugh
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I always say that I am in the program because I have to be, but I am NOT drinking the Koolaid. |
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I didn't even receive regular mailings from them. If they ARE starting to really be pushy and annoying about it, I can see why it would be a turn off to providers who already have enough on their plates working 12-15 hour days. |
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*$15 for renewal application packet. *$100 for "processing" said packet. *$ for 4.5 CEUs ( 1 "hour" classes= .1 CEUs and prices vary for $10-$65 per hour here unless you can attend the occasional free classes, that will count for CEUS, offered 2 hours away on weekdays. This is AFTER you have already paid for and completed 120 hours.) * a letter from a "supervisor" stating you worked 80 hours (if you work alone you have to beg your CCR&R and wait patiently for them to respond no matter how over worked they already are) *Letter of Recommendation from a certified reviewer...a stranger at best/competitor at worst... who comes into your home and micromanages your program. (THIS is where it gets very VERY sticky for private home providers/parents who prefer a home like environment) The pressure is harsh. * Documented proof of membership in an association with a couple "recommended" by your reviewer. It really gets overwhelming...$$$$ I may have missed a step or two, I have opted out of renewal. Back to topic , sorry, I know I am the wost. ILLEGAL daycare is wrong, wrong, wrong!!! No matter how frustrated you are with the system. The QRIS thing will wash itself out eventually, ride it out. It is not the first government program to upset small business owners, it won't be the last. Wear your 1-2 STARS proudly like the Sneetches if you have to.... Eventually, it will all work out.
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So I'm going to continuing the OT conversation (who wants to go on about the OPost anyway ) with a quick question:
I have an AAS in Early Childhood Education how does this relate to the CDA? as in is it higher, lower, the same? I feel a bit special on this topic as I've never heard of a CDA until this forum. |
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A CDA is only a portion of those credits or courses. Not sure how "old" a CDA credential is but I earned mine in 1993-94 originally. I stopped renewing it when I got my A.A.S. as the current degree trumps the CDA . |
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